New 2013 DC TRD 4x4 5.7L V8 ***FFV*** Nothing but problems. Bad gas mileage. Towing 4,500 lbs gets 8.1 mpg. Dealer has re-flashed the ECM. Did not last long. Non-FFV motors are getting much better mileage? My retirement plans have been destroyed. I'm trading it in. This FFV attempt by Toyota will cost me $6,000 ! ! !
***DO NOT BUY***Flex Fuel (FFV) 5.7L V8 Motor
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And here goes the forum's FFV Crusader defending the virtuous Flex Fuel Engine. I cannot for the life of me understand why you cannot accept that there are a significant number of FFV Tundras that are experiencing serious performance and mileage problem that have been directly tied to the FFV, BY TOYOTA CORPORATE. There absolutely is a difference between the Non-FFV and FFV Tundra engines. We sure are not hearing stories of non-FFV Tundras experiencing these problems. And yes, there are many FFV that are not experiencing problems. In fact it is probably safe to say that the majority of FFV Tundras are not experiencing issues, but that does not negate the fact that a significant number of Flex Fuel Tundras have persistent performance and mileage problems that are not being corrected.
As yet another example, I am still getting ~7.2mpg city after 5 trips to the dealer on my 2013 FFV Tundra. Oh, and the alcohol reading is at 88%. E85 has never been pumped into my truck.
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You been keeping records, calling the 800 number and researching your states lemon law?
How long have you been having this happen and how long will you accept it?
How long have you been having this happen and how long will you accept it?
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I have done all of the above. The truck has been like this since I picked it up at the dealer. Quite frankly, I guess I have been toking on the crack pipe hoping that Toyota would find a real, permanent solution. Other than the mileage, I love the truck. I always wanted a Gen2 Tundra which is why I bought the 2013 instead of waiting a few months for the 2014. I now have the truck fully set up the way I want it, do not want to start all over, and am not really that into the aesthetics of the 2014s. I do not drive it a ton (less than 6K in 15 months), so I guess the poor mileage has not caused me to reach the breaking point yet. It sure does look good sitting in my driveway though.
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F it... Start over. Im sure you pay hard earned money for it. I don't know. I can't stand buying something that isn't what I pay for. Good luckI have done all of the above. The truck has been like this since I picked it up at the dealer. Quite frankly, I guess I have been toking on the crack pipe hoping that Toyota would find a real, permanent solution. Other than the mileage, I love the truck. I always wanted a Gen2 Tundra which is why I bought the 2013 instead of waiting a few months for the 2014. I now have the truck fully set up the way I want it and do not want to start all over and am not really that into the aesthetic of the 2014s. I do not drive it a ton (less than 6K in 15 months), so I guess the poor mileage has not caused me to reach the breaking point yet. It sure does look good sitting in my driveway though.
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Take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt since most trucks with problems are 2012-2013 from what I've seen. But I have had experiences with 3 FFV Tundras personally. 2010 Double cab short box 4x4 (totaled @ 55,000 miles), my current 2011 Double cab short box 4x4 (27,700 miles on the clock), and currently a 2014 Double cab short box 4x4 (3,200 miles on the clock) and none of my trucks have had issues.
When all 3 of these trucks were stock, I got 18-21 MPGs doing pure highway trips. Now that both my 2011 and the 2014 both sit on 35s with lift kits they get roughly ~15 MPGs now if I'm lucky. When towing is about 7-10 MPGs, so it's not amazing.
I will say, my dealership said they were aware of the issue when we purchased the 2014 FFV. But they also said the reflash had solved all the issues and hadn't had anymore complaints from those owners that got the reflash.
I live in Missouri and I fill up my 5.7 FFV Tundra with either regular 87 or 91 octane gas, and like I said I haven't had a single issue that a lot of people complain about.
I do feel sorry for those experiencing the issue, and I know there is a problem. But I think labeling all the FFVs as complete junk is ludicrous.
When all 3 of these trucks were stock, I got 18-21 MPGs doing pure highway trips. Now that both my 2011 and the 2014 both sit on 35s with lift kits they get roughly ~15 MPGs now if I'm lucky. When towing is about 7-10 MPGs, so it's not amazing.
I will say, my dealership said they were aware of the issue when we purchased the 2014 FFV. But they also said the reflash had solved all the issues and hadn't had anymore complaints from those owners that got the reflash.
I live in Missouri and I fill up my 5.7 FFV Tundra with either regular 87 or 91 octane gas, and like I said I haven't had a single issue that a lot of people complain about.
I do feel sorry for those experiencing the issue, and I know there is a problem. But I think labeling all the FFVs as complete junk is ludicrous.
As I said...I get that owners with said trouble are frustrated and I am not the only one free of issues with an FFV motor. On the contrary.
There are a shit ton more FFV motors out there than non (I wont post numbers because I cant back them up from any credible source), yet you claim "significant" numbers are having issues? Really? What is a significant number....or better yet percentage of owners???
Online I can find a couple dozen, may be 3 dozen if assumptions are made. Multiply that a few times for unreported cases and you're in the hundreds. Hell even round way up to 1,000 cases of FFV motor issues tied to the same alcohol reading problem resulting in poor MPG.
Let's go bigger yet for the sake of percentages. How many FFV motors are out there? We'll say there are ONLY 250,000 5.7 FFV motors are on the road and JUST 1% of owners report an issue with MPG. Just 1%! Will 1% get a big companies attention? Sometimes. Depends. In this case yes. But consider 1% is of 250,000 = 2,500.
2,500 is a big number to you and I, yet it represents a very small percentage of the total in my play time example. Plenty of these owners make there way to internet forums where people complain the most.
You will never find the other 99% of owners posting about who wonderful their FFV motor is!!! This is internet forum 101.
So lets not put all FFV motors in the same bandwagon and make big claims about how bad they ALL are.
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If the trucks ECU is constantly thinking you're running E85 then it makes perfect sense why you are getting bad mileage. If Toyota can't fix it, get it lemoned. Wish you the best of luck on this issue.
Don't listen to those telling you that you are crazy or your truck is insignificant. Most fanboys on this site will swear up and down that a Toyota can't have problems, but no matter what the brand lemons exist. Even if this problem exist on a small percentage, that can still equate to hundreds or thousands of trucks depending what the percentage is. If I were buying a 5.7L, I would fly to a state to buy a non FFV because I am aware that there is a greater fail rate of FFV vs non-FFV's. People need to be aware of that.
Don't listen to those telling you that you are crazy or your truck is insignificant. Most fanboys on this site will swear up and down that a Toyota can't have problems, but no matter what the brand lemons exist. Even if this problem exist on a small percentage, that can still equate to hundreds or thousands of trucks depending what the percentage is. If I were buying a 5.7L, I would fly to a state to buy a non FFV because I am aware that there is a greater fail rate of FFV vs non-FFV's. People need to be aware of that.
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If 6k will mess up your retirement plans, you probably ain't ready to retire...
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Unless he was planning on retiring in a shack on the beach in Mexico...
I'm getting 14 mpg in the city with my FFV model. Out here I didn't have a choice, it's about all they sell out here. The only thing about the engine is the 5000 mile interval instead of the 10000 mile oil change interval. Just take a deep breath and work with your dealer. If they can't help, upchannel your request to Toyota.
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As an FFV owner WITH problems, wish I had read a post like this before purchasing. I cannot let it go without advising others. This is getting their attention.
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got 18.2 hwy mileage this weekend on a 300 mile trip '12 ffv
'12 ffv
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look at his average mpg on his dash, now do you believe me??? haha i def get the same and i have a level and 32" tires, sorry for you guys that are getting crappy mpgs
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I have a 13 Crewmax 4x4 ffv with 20in wheels and BFG rugged Terrains towing package with 4.33s. I drive probably a grand total of 6.5 miles to work with multiple stops and turns. average about 12mps and honestly im not exactly easy on it. i did how ever pick an empty car dolly, drove approx. 40 miles. Loaded up a Pontiac Grand am towed it aprox 40 miles and got 14ish on that tank. for granite half that was with the trailer empty so it weighed next to nothing. and with the car and dolly it was not over 4000. its a truck they typically don't get decent milage unless its a desiel. but then your spending more on diesel a gallon
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lol pardon my terrible typing and spelling and miss using words. not one of my strong points.
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find another dealer who gives a crap there are tons out there most not good but some do care.
what is your avg mpg on hwy. not towing anything? Should be around 16 avg mpg hwy. up to usually 17 avg mpg hwy (give or take 1-2 depending on road conditions).
If towing 4K lbs. with NON E85 gas just E10, then what do you expect? I would expect around 12-13 avg mpg at best but more like 10-11 mpg. I ONLY get 15 avg mpg hwy. pulling my 17' fishing boat or small 2 ATV trailer each weighing around 2,000 lbs. total. I can see 10-12 avg mpg pulling 4-5K lbs.
It's under warranty and if dealers cannot fix, file lemon law and let corp. toyota cover your expenses you shouldn't be out a dime and not having to trade it in if it should be fixed under 3/36K miles.
what is your avg mpg on hwy. not towing anything? Should be around 16 avg mpg hwy. up to usually 17 avg mpg hwy (give or take 1-2 depending on road conditions).
If towing 4K lbs. with NON E85 gas just E10, then what do you expect? I would expect around 12-13 avg mpg at best but more like 10-11 mpg. I ONLY get 15 avg mpg hwy. pulling my 17' fishing boat or small 2 ATV trailer each weighing around 2,000 lbs. total. I can see 10-12 avg mpg pulling 4-5K lbs.
It's under warranty and if dealers cannot fix, file lemon law and let corp. toyota cover your expenses you shouldn't be out a dime and not having to trade it in if it should be fixed under 3/36K miles.
My drive back from OK to LA when I picked up my 2010 Crewmax 4wd FFV my dash said I was averaging 18.2 mpg. My weekly driving to and from work I am averaging 15-16 mpg. When I pull my Malibu Wakesetter boat I get around 10-12 mpg depending on which lake I go to, one is in more of a hilly area. I was expecting this and I am happy with it. If I wanted better fuel mileage I would have gotten a Tacoma or better yet a Camry, but neither of those would pull my boat as good.
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For any who has had problems with their 2012 or newer Flex Fuel Tundra, vote and post up on this thread:
Poll: Problems With Your FFV Tundra
Even the 2014's are experiencing problems, and I am sure the 2015's are soon to follow. Clearly Toyota has not properly addressed this situation. My 2013 is in the dealer right now for this issue for the 5th time. Rough Cold Starts, Poor Mileage, Lack of Power. They drained the tank and put in new gas and performed yet another reflash/rest of the ECM. I have never pumped e85 into my Tundra and the alch% reading was up to 65% again. I've reset the alch reading myself at least 15 times to no avail.
It would be good to get an idea how many of us are experiencing these problems.
Poll: Problems With Your FFV Tundra
Even the 2014's are experiencing problems, and I am sure the 2015's are soon to follow. Clearly Toyota has not properly addressed this situation. My 2013 is in the dealer right now for this issue for the 5th time. Rough Cold Starts, Poor Mileage, Lack of Power. They drained the tank and put in new gas and performed yet another reflash/rest of the ECM. I have never pumped e85 into my Tundra and the alch% reading was up to 65% again. I've reset the alch reading myself at least 15 times to no avail.
It would be good to get an idea how many of us are experiencing these problems.
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