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Since it seems difficult, in many cases, to get an alignment done on these trucks that won't wear out tires, I've decided to create a thread to act as an alignment database.

In an effort to keep this thread clutter free, post alignment questions that are not answered here in a separate thread.

If information gets posted in that thread that isn't here yet, I'll link to it. I'll post up my recommendations for stock, lowered, and lifted trucks here in a single post, then people can post where they found a good (or bad) alignment shop. List the city, state, name of the shop, address, and phone number if possible.

For the most part, we want the tires to stand up straight and point ahead. Generally speaking, camber and toe affect tire wear, while caster affects steering return, pulls, and can cause the vehicle to follow ruts or imperfections in the road surface.

Zero camber means the wheel does not lean in or out when steered straight ahead. From the front, the wheels will look perfectly vertical. "| |" Positive camber means the wheels are closer to each where they meet the road than at the top. "\ /" Negative camber means that the wheels are closer together at the top than where they meet the road. "/ \" For most vehicles we want the camber slightly positive when on the alignment machine. Gen2 Tundras that are stock or lifted generally fight having too much positive camber. Lowered trucks struggle with having too much negative camber. (unless the front was lowered using drop spindles, in which case factory geometry is retained) Camber tends to creep negative over time due to fatigue of bushings, natural sag of springs, wear in moving parts like ball joints and wheel bearings, etc. Gravity works against camber. You can set camber at dead zero (straight up) then drive the truck around the block, recheck the camber to find that it is now -.1 degree.

Caster is best described by relating it to the front forks on a motorcycle. The invisible axis between where the wheel bolts on and where the tire meets the ground leans to the rear which makes the vehicle drive straight ahead with no effort or input from the driver. Caster is what makes your steering wheel return to center after making a turn. For stock trucks, achieving factory specifications for caster while meeting our goal for camber should be no problem. For lifted or lowered trucks, caster will be harder to achieve because we will use up most or all of the adjustment in the eccentrics to get the camber we want. I focus on camber first because poor camber wears tires. I let the caster basically fall where it wants. (within reason) I usually recommend that people ask for as much caster as allowed by the eccentrics without affecting their camber readings. Don't sacrifice camber to get more caster unless there is so much cross caster (the difference in caster from one side to the other) that it causes a pull. Typically the limit is no more that .5 degrees cross caster with less on the left. Vehicles pull to the side with the least amount of positive caster. We want less on the left to compensate for any road crown pull.

Toe is where the front tires point directionally. If they both point to one side, the vehicle will drive fine and not wear tires, but the steering wheel will be off center. If they point away from one another in the front they are toed out and the vehicle will wear tires on the inside and it may wander. If they point toward one another they are toed in. If you have too much toe-in the vehicle will wear the outside of the tires, especially when combined with too much positive camber. IMO, Toyota wants too much toe-in on these trucks. Between their camber specs and toe specs, many Gen2 trucks wear the outside of the front tires from the factory.

Remember...The numbers I'm posting are recommendations only, based on my alignment experience in general. I am not the "be all, end all" of alignments. Every vehicle does not react the same and sometimes the alignment specifications need to be altered for specific vehicles in order to get them to drive decent and/or not wear tires. Alignments numbers for stock, lifted, or lowered vehicles aren't really that different. The difference is what it takes to get those numbers given factory adjustment limitations. For stock and lifted applications, these numbers are within toyota tolerances. (I just narrow down their window of what is "acceptable")

So.......here's what I recommend.

STOCK TRUCKS:
Camber: +.1 degree camber on both sides.
Caster: As much as possible without sacrificing +.1 degree camber or causing a cross caster pull.
Toe: +.12 degrees per side for a total toe of +.24 degrees. (some guys have had to drop toe to +.04 to +.5 per side/+.08 to +.10 total toe)

LIFTED TRUCKS:
Same As Above ... BUT if you have wheels that have more negative offset than foctory wheels, increase the camber to +.2 degrees. (or even +.3 degrees if they just can't get there with the amount of adjustment allowed by the eccentrics) Adjustable upper control arms are available for cases where there just isn't enough adjustment left in the eccentrics to get a decent alignment. Although they are expensive, most guys with lifts have a lot of $$$ invested in tires so you need to make a judgement call.

LOWERED TRUCKS:
Guys that lower trucks tend to want it to handle the road like a Lambo so I'll give two recommendations. One for improved handling and one for improved tire wear.
Emphasis On Handling:
Camber: 0 to -.1 degree (watch for inside tire wear)
Caster: As much as humanly possible. Caster causes the front tires to lean into the turn. Installing adjustable upper control arms to increase caster can really make it stick in turns. High positive caster can make it follow ruts/imperfections in the road and cause it to creep toward "full lock" after turning half way to the locks.
Toe: +.12 per side for a total toe of +.24 degrees.
Emphasis on tire wear:
Camber: 0 to +.1 degree.
Caster: As much as possible. It won't affect tire wear and we tend to have a hard time getting good caster unless we use drop spindles.
Toe: +.12 degrees for a total toe of +.24 degrees.
 

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This is where I'll be adding links to useful information. A lot of questions have probably already been answered and we all know how searches don't always work. The links to TT threads may contain the answer to your question. Following this post, feel free to add feedback regarding the alignment shop you used.
Remember, start a new thread for specific vehicle issues. We'll use this one for technical info so people have a singe resource for alignment specifications and shop recommendations. I'll update it with new info as needed.

Here are some helpful links to understanding alignments. This information will make it easier for people to communicate with alignment technicians by having knowledge about what is going on when an alignment is done and what the numbers and angles represent.

Wheel Alignment A Short Course

Wheel Alignment Explained

Suspension basics/ Alignment - YouTube

This seems to be the thread that started it all... http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...nderstanding-alignment-camber-off-damage.html
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Zero Point Calibration ----> http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/766980-post10.html

Control Arm Threads: http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/105093-uca-preference.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/102771-light-racing-spc-adjustable-uca.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/98271-best-aftermarket-ucas.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...g-control-arm-bolt-bilstein-5100-install.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...2-icon-tubular-upper-control-arms-update.html
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General Alignment threads: http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/104637-help-alignment-frustrated.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/105582-leveling-kits-alignment-issues.html (wish the pics were still there)

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...-alignment-sheet-after-rancho-re-install.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/107491-lets-try-fifth-time-alignment.html

Good alignment numbers after a 5100 install... http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...ance/112593-alignment-dealer-bad-idea-no.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...50-alignment-ordeal-may-help-someone-out.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/105559-alignment-question-socal57chevy.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...111648-after-leveling-alignment-question.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...talled-pics-n-alignment-questions-inside.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...nally-bilsteins-alignment-confirm-please.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/109866-3-1-alignment-sheet.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/108900-alignment-questions.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/107445-stacking-lifts.html (interesting conversation)

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/toytec-lifts/107794-alignment-questions.html#post787306

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/108379-alignment-specs-bilstein-5100s.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-wheels-tires/106758-question-my-tire-wear.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/106963-3-1-5-alignment.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-general-discussion/107177-alignment-question.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/104637-help-alignment-frustrated.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-wheels-tires/105133-alignment-help.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-general-discussion/105116-how-my-alignment-numbers-look.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-wheels-tires/103254-alignment-help.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/111441-alignment-check.html

Lift kit steering/suspension geometry thread. Good info in here from some knowledgeable people... http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...n-lift-kit-design-flaw-steering-geometry.html


If anyone runs across more alignment related threads with good info, send me a link via PM and I'll add it to the list.
 

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Checking the alignment before "selling" an alignment.


The guy in this video is no longer there. I can no longer say whether this shop will do you right...or not.
 

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Way to go SoCal, now everyone has a one stop shop place for info. Well done!

What SoCal57Chevy said sounds reasonable.
 

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Way to go SoCal, now everyone has a one stop shop place for info. Well done!

What SoCal57Chevy said sounds reasonable.

Sorry double post, but it is worth two mentions
 

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Way to go SoCal, now everyone has a one stop shop place for info. Well done!

What SoCal57Chevy said sounds reasonable.

Sorry double post, but it is worth two mentions
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http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tu...458-alignment-shops-mckinney-dallas-area.html

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-suspension-talk/111171-san-antonio-tx-alignment-shops.html

Accurate Alignments in Oceanside Ca. I spoke with them and I believe they have what it takes to do us right.
3820 Oceanic Dr Ste 304
Oceanside, CA 92056
760-730-5745
Anyone in the Charlotte, NC area can come see me in Rock Hill, SC.

Shop name is TreadQuarters (formerly Tuffy Auto)
1279 Celanese Rd
Rock Hill, SC 29732

Conveniently off of I-77 exit 82C next to the Starbucks. Also have a Hooters across the street for your breast, thigh, wing and beer needs!
In the beautiful Central Valley of Ca we are available, not only are we a dealer that can do competent alignments but we install level and lift kits so all of the techs have experiance with what changes happen and what to do with one.

Visalia Toyota
922 South Ben Maddox Way
Visalia, CA 93292
559-627-4777
Visalia Toyota | New Toyota dealership in Visalia, CA 93292
OK friends...
Just back from alignment shop once again.
Much happier now.
Anyone reading this in the Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge area of Ontario....K-W Spring and Suspension.
Can't say enough about these guys.
Thanks again So-Cal!
 

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This guy runs a respectable shop. Checking the alignment before "selling" an alignment.

Front End Alignment | Foggs Automotive | Glenville NY - YouTube
My truck is at this exact place right now for an alignment. They told me right off the bat they would only align to factory specs and they didnt know anything about the " 7 min check before buying" so I'm not sure how this is going to come out. After some talking I got them to realize it can't be set to factory specs and they said they would try to get it right otherwise.. I just had a readylift 3/2 kit done.

UPDATE, heres the final specs from this shop.
 

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My truck is at this exact place right now for an alignment. They told me right off the bat they would only align to factory specs and they didnt know anything about the " 7 min check before buying" so I'm not sure how this is going to come out. After some talking I got them to realize it can't be set to factory specs and they said they would try to get it right otherwise.. I just had a readylift 3/2 kit done.
Sounds like they changed owners....have they not seen their own YouTube video? :lol:
 

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Great post! :beerchug:
 

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GARBAGE shop they have no idea what they are doing, stay away if you do go it will be a big waste of your time and money. they told me they handled lifted/ levled trucks all the time. got my alignment with them then the outside of my tires started to wear. i was concerned so i called back guy pretty much told me to **** my self that there was nothing wrong with the alignment and wouldn't look at it unless i paid them another 109 bucks. so i waited a couple thousand miles till the wear in my tires was very noticable and went back to the shop and told him to look at my tires and tell me there's nothing wrong. he couldn't so they took it in realigned it and when i came to pick my truck up the guy said i have 1 of two options, bad tire wear or shitty handling. i got pissed took my truck back and now i've got shitty handling and bad tire wear. STAY AWAY
3333 Bethel Road Southeast Port Orchard, WA 98366
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Anyone in the Charlotte, NC area can come see me in Rock Hill, SC.

Shop name is TreadQuarters (formerly Tuffy Auto)
1279 Celanese Rd
Rock Hill, SC 29732

Conveniently off of I-77 exit 82C next to the Starbucks. Also have a Hooters across the street for your breast, thigh, wing and beer needs!
 

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Anyone in the Charlotte, NC area can come see me in Rock Hill, SC.

Shop name is TreadQuarters (formerly Tuffy Auto)
1279 Celanese Rd
Rock Hill, SC 29732

Conveniently off of I-77 exit 82C next to the Starbucks. Also have a Hooters across the street for your breast, thigh, wing and beer needs!
My wife and I are actually looking at the Rock Hill area to move to in the next year. Love it down there around lake Wylie.
 

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What SVT said sounds reasonable.
 
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In the beautiful Central Valley of Ca we are available, not only are we a dealer that can do competent alignments but we install level and lift kits so all of the techs have experiance with what changes happen and what to do with one.

Visalia Toyota
922 South Ben Maddox Way
Visalia, CA 93292
559-627-4777
Visalia Toyota | New Toyota dealership in Visalia, CA 93292
 

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Hey guys, Im installing my new wheels and tires on Sat. and have been reading alot about alignments lately...
Guess I was wondering to get the best alignment, would you reccommend my local toyota dealership, or a private shop, from what Ive been reading most toyota dealerships will only align to toyota specs...
and that may not be the best alignment numbers for lifted/leveled trucks...
is this always the case at the dealerships..?
I have a level kit, and the tires are gonna be a lil bigger and of course a different offset on the wheels..
 

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Hey guys, Im installing my new wheels and tires on Sat. and have been reading alot about alignments lately...
Guess I was wondering to get the best alignment, would you reccommend my local toyota dealership, or a private shop, from what Ive been reading most toyota dealerships will only align to toyota specs...
and that may not be the best alignment numbers for lifted/leveled trucks...
is this always the case at the dealerships..?
I have a level kit, and the tires are gonna be a lil bigger and of course a different offset on the wheels..
I am no alignment expert but I would think that unless you know you currently have alignment issues there should be no reason to need an alignment because of changing tire sizes...I could be wrong but that does not make sense to me.
 
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