Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever seen my dipstick at the full mark. It seems that the couple of "free" toyota care changes it was a little below the full mark then too. I guess I will start driving up to Fayetteville to the dealer there to get my next change done.
It floors me that the dealership doesn't know what oil numbers and weights are!
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That may be the ploy, but they're not Jedis. I can look at cars all day long and not buy one.Free Maintenance is a marketing ploy that forces the owner to go back to the dealership for oil changes. They hang out in the showrooms and look at the new cars while the service dept looks for something they can upsell to the customer. They have a vested interest in having you come back again and again and again. Think about it, how many want you to keep driving your truck? You are the only one; the dealers want to sell you a new one. All you are to the dealer in money in the bank.
They are like a Harley-Davidson dealer, they don't want you to use AMSOIL, AMSOIL saves motors, AMSOIL will cost the dealer lost revenue. It doesn't matter if it's a motorcycle, car or truck dealership, they make the most money on service & repairs.
I am not referring to Toyota, I am referring to individual dealers. They have a vested interest in having you come back again and again and again. They make the most money on parts and service. Think about it, how many want you to keep driving your truck? You are the only one; the dealers want to sell you a new truck. All you are to the dealer is money in the bank.I disagree, Toyota has built a reputation of quality and reliability, I don't think they are conspiring to cause problems so they can make money on you off of repairs. That would be a pretty poor business model!! Others have tried and failed at miserably.
I hear ya...but..I am not referring to Toyota, I am referring to individual dealers. They have a vested interest in having you come back again and again and again. They make the most money on parts and service. Think about it, how many want you to keep driving your truck? You are the only one; the dealers want to sell you a new truck. All you are to the dealer is money in the bank.
I'll give you a for instance. Neighbor lady has a Rav4 about 3-4 yrs old now. She drives 100 miles to the dealer to get her oil changed because she fears warranty problems if she does not. She told me they told her that when she bought the car, salesman I presume did that. That is unethical of them to do that, coerce and intimidate her like that.
Do you have a oil cooler (tow package)?Mine reads full at 8.5 quarts for some reason.
IMOMy free service has ended at Toyota dealership so I am just beginning to read up on oil.
Could someone explain to me or post up a link to the claim that 30 is better for the longevity of the engine and 20 is better for the mpg? You would think that less viscosity the oil has better mpg and less wear the engine will experience. Are you saying that 20 is too thin for hot weather or heavy-towing/hauling application?
They are like a Harley-Davidson dealer, they don't want you to use AMSOIL, AMSOIL saves motors, AMSOIL will cost the dealer lost revenue.
