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I'm on vacation right now. I'm going to take it to the same shop and talk to the tech who did the original alignment. I'm hoping we can work this out otherwise there may be some slightly used UCAs for sale. I'll let y'all know what happens. Not sure why some get spot on alignments and some are off. I'm thinking it's the tech doing the alignment.
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I have had zone ucas installed and am having alignment issues as well. My truck drifts right and has been there twice now for alignment. He said one adjustment was maxed out as far as it would go and said I might see some outside wear on my tread. At a loss as to what to even do at this point.
Take pics of your alignment cams and we can let you know if you're maxed out or if you have another failure of an alignment tech

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I just got back from an alignment shop and got the same statement from the tech guy. @GR8White could you take a look at this pics if i really am maxed out. No printout cause the only place around me that could take it in is an old school shop that does it without computers and lasers. They are pretty well known and respected round here in SoCal though. First set of pics are passenger side front and rear adjustments.


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These 2nd set o pics are the plates on the driver's side

As a side note i have Bilstein 6112 on the highest setting and a shim each on both sides to add extra inch on each side. Zone UCA. I heard 2wd are getting higher lifts on the 6112 also and that makes me think that I might be out of zone UCA's limits. Thanks in advance.


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Upper pic is not maxed, lower is. Not sure which cam is which. Problem is, without a printout, I don't know how far you're off and if the adjustment left in that cam will make a difference. On first set of pics

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These 2nd set o pics are the plates on the driver's side

As a side note i have Bilstein 6112 on the highest setting and a shim each on both sides to add extra inch on each side. Zone UCA. I heard 2wd are getting higher lifts on the 6112 also and that makes me think that I might be out of zone UCA's limits. Thanks in advance.


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On this set of pics, your upper pic is right at max and lower cam is only half way! What is wrong with these alignment techs. But again, without numbers, you can't tell exactly what's going on and I'm not sure which cam is which in the pics. But yes, you have more room for adjustment. And the more I look at it, the more it looks screwed up to me because it appears just by the frame area around the cams that they have opposite cams maxed out between front and rear on each side. I'm not an alignment expert, I just kind of understand how these things work and to me, that would create a nasty cross caster pull as well

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Jeebus... i knew it!! Its just kinda hard to question a tech that does it for a living. He even told me to come by the bay so he could show me the best he can do. Anyone have a reccomendation for a computer alignment in SoCal that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?


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Take pics of your alignment cams and we can let you know if you're maxed out or if you have another failure of an alignment tech

I tried doing that but the pics come out turned wrong and I can't get them correct. Here is my spec sheets though. The alignment at the bottom is where I am currently but it shows each alignment and where it was before.
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I tried doing that but the pics come out turned wrong and I can't get them correct. Here is my spec sheets though. The alignment at the bottom is where I am currently but it shows each alignment and where it was before.
If you have an iPhone, take your pics with the phone sideways, not upright. If it's android I'm not sure what to tell you. Unfortunately seeing your alignment sheet doesn't do me any good because it just shows what the angles are. It doesn't show if there's room for improvement or not. Also, I'm not sure what much of that means when all the specs are in fractions. Most measure in degrees and it's easy to tell how far off you are. As I've said prior, I'm not an alignment tech and I'm no expert but I've read up on this stuff enough on this forum and other sources that when I go to get an alignment done, I'm standing there under the truck and telling him what I want done. Having a basic understanding of caster, camber, toe and where your alignment cams are maxed out and what they do will help you a lot in the long run to not even leave the alignment shop if you're not happy with what they got.

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From your spec sheet it looks like you caster is way to high. It should be around 2.5-3. Your at 4.8-4.9.


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From your spec sheet it looks like you caster is way to high. It should be around 2.5-3. Your at 4.8-4.9.


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Having a lot of caster is not a huge issue. Having too much positive camber certainly could be though.

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So the alignment drama is finally over. Today I took my truck to my local 4 Wheel Parts Store and they had me in and out in less than an hour with good alignment specs:

Camber: +0.3 Left, +0.2 Right
Caster: +3.6 L, +3.7 R
Toe: +.12 L, +.13 R

The truck drives great and with the alignment issues fixed I can finally get the new wheels and tires I've been looking at. All of you who are concerned about the Zone Offroad UCAs not working on your Tundra I'm another data point to prove that it is possible, and as others have said, you just need to find a good alignment shop that is willing to do a good job and has experience aligning lifted trucks.

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The number of clueless or lazy alignment techs is disturbing. This isn't rocket science. Why in the **** would any of them quit when the camber is clearly out of spec? That's going to wear your tires in a hurry.

The cams on the UCA are used to move the lower balljoint fore-aft, and in-out. If you have UCAs then your caster (fore-aft) is going to be fine; there is a wide range that is "ok". Dial your cams to move the LCA out until camber is good. Unless *both* of them are maxed out, then you haven't reached the limit.


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These numbers are actually in spec and a ton better than what they were (+1.5). I'm happy with these.

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