Blistein 6112 w/no Coils - Page 3 - TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum

User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-01-2016, 12:09 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 7,134
Thanks: 10,730
Thanked 10,538 Times in 4,876 Posts
Mentioned: 817 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1213 Post(s)
Garage
Nah. We probably could figure out some kind of springs to use. But 6112 valving and spring rate is pretty dialed in. I would run what you brung.
dirtydeeds is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to dirtydeeds For This Useful Post:
rruff (12-04-2016)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-04-2016, 11:25 PM
Senior Member
 
rruff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ruidoso, NM
Posts: 1,151
Thanks: 224
Thanked 385 Times in 308 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydeeds View Post
Nah. We probably could figure out some kind of springs to use. But 6112 valving and spring rate is pretty dialed in. I would run what you brung.
My truck is going to be loaded though, with I'm guessing ~500 lb over stock weight on the front. I'd like 2" of lift. I figured a heavier spring would make sense. What do you think? With the stock spring I'd need a coil spacer for extra preload, and I suspect the coils would bottom out before I hit the bumpers.
rruff is offline  
post #33 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-07-2016, 01:46 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 7,134
Thanks: 10,730
Thanked 10,538 Times in 4,876 Posts
Mentioned: 817 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1213 Post(s)
Garage
Maybe consider a set of kings? 700lb springs. Or OME 613?

Or, we could try a set of one springs on 6112's. but then we would have a bastard set of 6112 springs laying around.
dirtydeeds is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to dirtydeeds For This Useful Post:
rruff (12-07-2016)
 
post #34 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-07-2016, 07:39 PM
Senior Member
 
rruff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ruidoso, NM
Posts: 1,151
Thanks: 224
Thanked 385 Times in 308 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
That makes sense, thanks for your reply.
rruff is offline  
post #35 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 11:15 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kstateskier View Post
600lbs. OEM is 700lbs
Would you happen to know if oem coils are different lengths (driver vs passenger)? I read that somewhere but can't confirm. Looking to either reuse oem coils or buy complete 6112's. Depending on either oem or 6112 coils being different lengths might change whether or not different clip settings having to be used to correct driver side lean
Tundraltdblck is offline  
post #36 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 12:23 PM
Senior Member
 
kstateskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 2,860
Thanks: 2,120
Thanked 2,406 Times in 1,314 Posts
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 296 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tundraltdblck View Post
Would you happen to know if oem coils are different lengths (driver vs passenger)? I read that somewhere but can't confirm. Looking to either reuse oem coils or buy complete 6112's. Depending on either oem or 6112 coils being different lengths might change whether or not different clip settings having to be used to correct driver side lean
The OEM coils I pulled off my truck had the same exact part #s which would lend me to believe they were identical lengths. The new 6112 coils are identical so you can install either on drivers or passenger side. However there is a small small difference in height as it sits on a level surface.

2017 Tundra Crewmax Limited Weatherby Lake, MO
TRDPro Reservoir shocks Rear
TRD Stainless Dual Exhaust
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

kstateskier is offline  
post #37 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 12:56 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I'm debating whether to shim, or just use different clip settings? Came across a 4Runner forum stating using one notch higher would correct driver side lean. Probably need to just wait to have a whole day of free time to experiment
Tundraltdblck is offline  
post #38 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 01:04 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 7,134
Thanks: 10,730
Thanked 10,538 Times in 4,876 Posts
Mentioned: 817 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1213 Post(s)
Garage
Making driver have one more notch than passenger or vice Versa will correct lean.
dirtydeeds is offline  
post #39 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 01:40 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
What's the pros/cons of shimming besides lift height and springs having same compression? Does the shim allow easier alignment?
Tundraltdblck is offline  
post #40 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-05-2018, 11:53 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 53
Thanks: 1
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rruff View Post
I did some looking at it doesn't appear to be a standard spring. Standard Eibach go up to 3" ID, but the 6112 is ~3.3". Eibach has a 14" and 16" spring, but 6112 is ~15.25".

If you got a 700 lb 16" spring you'd get a lot of lift even in the lowest perch on the 6112. The 1" of lift that a 600 lb 15.25" spring gives you, plus an extra .75" of length, on top of a 100 lb higher rate. I wouldn't go that route unless you have a *lot* of extra weight in the front. There is no 650 lb spring or 15" spring unfortunately. 700 lb 14" (with a coil spacer?) or 600 lb 16" look like the best options, though with the later a coil spacer on the regular 6112 spring might work just as well.

Going to dig up this thread. I called wheelers yesterday, they recommended a 3" ID x 14" length 700lb rate spring for my 6112's, I'm not digging the idea of using shims on the top setting of the shock to preload the spring and maintain the lift. I'm wondering if I went with a 16" 700lb spring on the lowest shock setting will it work? If I have to toss a Deaver spring pack in the rear to bring it up I'm not adverse to that either, the bumper I put in the rear doesn't;t leave much room for gear in the bed without it sagging. I'm putting on a exp one front bumper that weighs in at ~150 and have plans for a winch.

2011 4.6L Double Cab 4x4
Nitro 4:88 gears, Auburn rear LSD, ARB Front Air Locker, Volant CAI, Borla Exhaust, Body Armor rear bumper, Expedition One front bumper, Method Standard 18" wheels, 35x12 Mickey Thompson Baja AT tires. Bilstein 5160 rear shocks, Bilstein 6112 front shocks.
VanDominator13 is online now  
post #41 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-06-2018, 12:25 AM
Senior Member
 
rruff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ruidoso, NM
Posts: 1,151
Thanks: 224
Thanked 385 Times in 308 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
I don't think I'd take Wheeler's advice, unless they've actually done. Seems like a smaller diameter spring wouldn't fit right. Besides the length mismatch.

Do us all a favor and try something totally different!

AFAIK nobody is running the Ironman stuff on a Tundra. Lots of FJ guys use them though. The Pro front struts are fully rebuildable and have threaded collar adjustments. $590 for the struts and $160 for springs. https://ironman4x4america.com/truck/toyota/tundra/

https://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tun...hings-etc.html


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

2016 SR DC Long 4x4 5.7L. Intermittent wipers added (?!). MB TKO 18x9 +25. Hankook Dynapro ATM 325/65r18 (34.6x13) Future Offroad RV plans: Bed removed, homebuilt camper installed. Rear seat removed to make room for storage and bikes. King or ADS shocks with 700 lb springs, ~2" lift (may cheap out though). Rear leaves, maybe air bags. And more!
rruff is offline  
post #42 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-06-2018, 12:47 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 53
Thanks: 1
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rruff View Post
I don't think I'd take Wheeler's advice, unless they've actually done. Seems like a smaller diameter spring wouldn't fit right. Besides the length mismatch.

Do us all a favor and try something totally different!

AFAIK nobody is running the Ironman stuff on a Tundra. Lots of FJ guys use them though. The Pro front struts are fully rebuildable and have threaded collar adjustments. $590 for the struts and $160 for springs. https://ironman4x4america.com/truck/toyota/tundra/

https://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tun...hings-etc.html
As much as I'd love to swap out my entire suspension, it's just not in the economical future for me. But the Iron Man stuff looks like a great option, being rebuildable at that price point is awesome, but the leafs are too pricey, especially when I can just drive to Deaver and have them make me a new pack for a little less and avoid shipping costs.
Although I'm pretty sure Coachbuilder has done it or something similar. Wheelers is the only place I've talked to that has actually put those springs on a 6112. The 6112 is the same diameter (2.5) for the Tundra as it is for the Taco, thats why they recommended the 14" spring, because they know it works on the Taco shock. Basically just because the Bilstein spring is 3.3 it'll still work with a 3" ID spring, like all other 2.5' coilovers, I know there are guys who have swapped the springs in their 2.5 Icons with heavier Eibachs and had great results. I'm just debating on the choice of length.

2011 4.6L Double Cab 4x4
Nitro 4:88 gears, Auburn rear LSD, ARB Front Air Locker, Volant CAI, Borla Exhaust, Body Armor rear bumper, Expedition One front bumper, Method Standard 18" wheels, 35x12 Mickey Thompson Baja AT tires. Bilstein 5160 rear shocks, Bilstein 6112 front shocks.
VanDominator13 is online now  
post #43 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-06-2018, 01:29 AM
Senior Member
 
rruff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ruidoso, NM
Posts: 1,151
Thanks: 224
Thanked 385 Times in 308 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
You don't have to buy the Ironman leafs, BTW.... and shipping is free.

Seems like the smaller diameter spring wouldn't fit the perches correctly.

Also, if I understand correctly it's important to have valving that is designed for the spring rate. If the 6112s are still 600 lb (somebody said 650, maybe need to call Bilstein), then 700 lb is going to be a big difference. That's why OME and Ironman springs come in different lengths to get more height rather than spring rate. Maybe it isn't a big deal though...

Just for fun, lets say the Tundra with stock 6112s has ~4.5" of spring compression (4.5x600lb= 2700 lb) on the bottom clip. Spring goes from 15.25" long to 10.75". You are at .75" lift vs stock. A 700 lb spring will have the same load, so will compress 2700/700= 3.9". But it starts at 16" so 3.9" of compression leaves you at 12.1" compared to 10.75" with the stock 600 lb spring. So there is an added 1.35" at the strut, which translates to ~2.3" at the wheel. I used a 1.7 ratio there, is that about right Keith @dirtydeeds ? Combined with the .75" lift on the bottom clip compared to stock, you are at ~3" of lift at stock weight.

So I think the long spring will do what you want if my numbers are in the ballpark.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

2016 SR DC Long 4x4 5.7L. Intermittent wipers added (?!). MB TKO 18x9 +25. Hankook Dynapro ATM 325/65r18 (34.6x13) Future Offroad RV plans: Bed removed, homebuilt camper installed. Rear seat removed to make room for storage and bikes. King or ADS shocks with 700 lb springs, ~2" lift (may cheap out though). Rear leaves, maybe air bags. And more!
rruff is offline  
post #44 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-06-2018, 01:06 PM
Member
 
phm14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 31
Thanks: 7
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tundraltdblck View Post
I'm debating whether to shim, or just use different clip settings? Came across a 4Runner forum stating using one notch higher would correct driver side lean. Probably need to just wait to have a whole day of free time to experiment
For those that may not know, the "lean" is engineered into the suspension to compensate for road crown. The intent is to help the vehoicle track straight down the road, with less effort needed to keep the vehicle from wandering toward the edge of the road, and to provide a more level feel to occupants. I don't know of a practical reason to "correct" it. Seems most do it due to an obsession with vehicle stance. I did it myself until I learned the reason it is engineered into the suspension.

Toyota 4x4 owner (x4), since 1993, continuously
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

2018 Tundra SR5 4x4 5.7 DC, Blazing Blue Pearl, Bilstein 6112 coilovers, TRD exhaust, Method Roost with Nitto Ridge Grapplers
'16 Lexus RCF
'15 4Runner Trail
First Toyota: 1974 Celica, bought 1980.
[SIGPIC]
phm14 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to phm14 For This Useful Post:
rruff (01-06-2018)
post #45 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-06-2018, 04:56 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 53
Thanks: 1
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
That what I was thinking, I have the 6112's set on the top setting right now with a .25 shim to bring the lift up to 3". I think your math is correct, I just need to call Bilstein and find out about the valving, maybe they even have a 700lb spring that matches the dimensions of the 600 and I won't have to use a bastardized Eibach. We'll see.

2011 4.6L Double Cab 4x4
Nitro 4:88 gears, Auburn rear LSD, ARB Front Air Locker, Volant CAI, Borla Exhaust, Body Armor rear bumper, Expedition One front bumper, Method Standard 18" wheels, 35x12 Mickey Thompson Baja AT tires. Bilstein 5160 rear shocks, Bilstein 6112 front shocks.
VanDominator13 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum > Tundra Discussion > Tundra Suspension Talk

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome