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Just to be clear looking at DAP website, do you provide Dustin the inputs for the Tune prior to him sending you the module to load into the trucks ECM if you are not local?

I'm tempting to pull the trigger on this. What's the verdict on the shift points, 5-10% is good?
hit up Dustins email. [email protected]

He's very responsive to his emails

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Bumping thread for a 3 month post DAP tune update from the OP (TheStalker)..
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I am really thinking about this.

The 2017 sucks so much compared to my 2010.

Tonight I almost got smoked by a grand prix. It might have been a gtp, not really sure. Never saw the rear. But the 1-2 shift killed everything, took the second to collect itself then give me power back. So stupid. Not sure what safety vest wearing engineering mofo decided that we only need the power that they think we need when we need it.

Pisses me off.

My 2010 was so much quicker. Even without the BD. I took it off after 6-8 months and it is still in the cabinet I put it.


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Still waiting for dyno sheets but if the shifting improvements are as advertised that alone would be worth it. It's bugged me since day 1 that Toyota advertises 381 hp engine (@5600 rpm) then you never see that amount of power until you're doing 60+ mph because it won't take 1st gear over 5200.

They gimped the Tacoma 4.0L like that as well. Peak power 5200 rpm, redline 5500 rpm, but fuel cut at 5000 rpm in first gear with manual transmission. Slightly irritating.
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Bumping thread for a 3 month post DAP tune update from the OP (TheStalker)..
Tune still on the truck and running strong! No complaints here. In town MPG has settled back to where it was before, ~11.5 mpg, but highway MPG is slightly better by about .5-1 mpg. With gas prices coming down, running 91 hasn't been much of an issue.

Power delivery is smooth, truck runs strong and haven't had one issue with it, other than keeping my foot out of the throttle !

I'm taking the truck to the dealer for its 60k service next Saturday. This will be the first time I'll uninstall and reinstall the tune using the remote handheld. Not anticipating any issues.

I have my DB hooked up and use it for gauges. The BD IS NOT installed with the DAP tune.

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I might give BD a try on the newest tune. WOULD love to be able to do a DAP vs BD tune/review.

But I already own the BD, and they reached out to me asking for feedback.

Too bad Dustin isn't a super active member or sponsor on here or I would try to make something happen on his end so I can can write a good comparison between the two.

Would be good for business on both parties sides I imagine.


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Still waiting for dyno sheets but if the shifting improvements are as advertised that alone would be worth it. It's bugged me since day 1 that Toyota advertises 381 hp engine (@5600 rpm) then you never see that amount of power until you're doing 60+ mph because it won't take 1st gear over 5200.

They gimped the Tacoma 4.0L like that as well. Peak power 5200 rpm, redline 5500 rpm, but fuel cut at 5000 rpm in first gear with manual transmission. Slightly irritating.
Dustin has a new "Donkey2.0" test truck and is putting dyno numbers together on it. It is stock with AFE CAI and unknown exhaust.

4th gear pulls:

stock (AFE, unknown Exh) - 299hp
stock w/BD Trail Tune - 268hp
stock w/BD Performance Tune - 274hp



1st - 4th gear pulls:

stock (AFE, unknown Exh) - 312hp
stock w/BD Trail Tune - 285hp
stock w/BD Performance Tune - 292hp



He will being adding the HT Interceptor and DAP tune to the list soon. He's been busy.

He did mention the AFE was killing torque.

Question will need to be directed to Dustin/DAP .

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I might give BD a try on the newest tune. WOULD love to be able to do a DAP vs BD tune/review.

But I already own the BD, and they reached out to me asking for feedback.

Too bad Dustin isn't a super active member or sponsor on here or I would try to make something happen on his end so I can can write a good comparison between the two.

Would be good for business on both parties sides I imagine.
If your active on the tundra facebook paged, Dustin is very active there and his own page. DAP has exploded on the facebook tundra pages. There are lots of people that have switched from BD to DAP. Dustin is planning a trip from Texas along the gulf coast to Florida up to Virginia and crossings back over Kentucky headed back to Texas. Look him up on FB for the latest.

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East coast and eastern central Trip.
These are the lcations I will be at.

1. Depart 6:00am Thursday July 6th

2. ETA 2pm Marksville, LA- Start doing tunes by 3:00-3:30pm end at 10pm. Leaving 10am July7th
Address: 124 Earl J Barbry Sr BLVD
Marksville, LA 71351

3. July 7, ETA 3:30pm Clinton, MS- Start doing tunes by 5pm end at 10pm. Leaving 9am July 8th.
Address: 499 Springridge Rd.
Clinton, MS 39056

4. July 8, ETA 3:00pm Birmingham, AL- Start tuning by 4:30pm end at 10pm. Leaving 9am July 9th
Address: 400 North Carson Rd.
Birmingham, AL 35215

5. July 9, ETA 2:30pm Fort ValleyGA- Start tuning by 4:00pm end at 10pm. Leaving 9am July 10th
Address: 13841 highway 96 E
Fort Valley, GA 31030

6. July 10, ETA 4:30pm Dover, FL- Start tuning by 6:00pm end at 11:00pm. Leaving 10am July 11th
Address: 4630 McIntosh Rd.
Dover, FL 33527

7. July 11, ETA 3:00pm Port St Lucie, FL- Start tuning by 4:30pm end at 10:00pm.
July 12, tuning from 12:00pm-9:00pm. Leaving 9:00am July 13th
Address: 3600 SE Mariposa Ave
Port St Lucie, FL 34952

8. July 13, ETA 7:00pm Summerton, SC- Start tuning 8:00pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 11am July 14th
Address: 1268 Gordon Rd.
Summerton, SC 29148

9. July 14, ETA 3:30pm Four Oaks, NC- Start tuning 5:00pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 9am July 15th
Address: 527 US Hwy 701S
Four Oaks, NC 27524

10. July 15, ETA 5:00pm Sevieville, TN- Start tuning 6:30pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 9am July 16th
Address: 2328 Business Center Circle
Sevierville, TN 37876

11. July 16, ETA 5:30pm Granville, OH- Start tuning 7:00pm end at 11:00pm. Leaving 10:30am July 17th
Address: 2340 Dry Creek Rd. NE
Granville, OH 43023

12. July 17, ETA 3:30pm Champion, PA- Start tuning 5:00pm end at 10:00pm.
July 18 start tuning 12:00pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 10:30am July 19th
Address: 1662 Indian Creek Valley Rd.
Champion, PA 15622

13. July 19, ETA 3:30pm College Park, MD- Start tuning 5:00pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 11:00am July20
Address: 9800 Cherry Hill Rd.
College Park, MD 20740

14. July 20, ETA 2:30pm Ashland, VA- Start tuning 4:30pm end at 10:00pm.
July 21st Start tuning 12:00pm end at 10:00pm.
Address: 11322 Air Park rd.
Ashland, VA 23005

July 22nd Start tuning at the East Coast Tundras meet. Leaving 9:00am July 23rd

15. July 23, ETA 4:00pm Charleston, WV- Start tuning 5:30pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 10am July 24th
Address: 7500 Kanawha State Forest Dr.
Charleston, WV 25314

16. July 24, ETA 5:00pm Shepherdsville, KY- Start tuning 6:30pm end at 10pm. Leaving 9am July 25th
Address: 159 Dawson Dr.
Shepherdsville, KY 40165

17. July 25, ETA 6:30pm North Little Rock, AR- Start tuning 8:00pm end at 10:00pm. Leaving 12pm July 26th

Here is your locations and dates. Reflashes will be available in the Mornings before we leave each location if you make it on time.

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Don't get me wrong, I am really excited that someone is willing to take on the challenge of tuning the Tundra platform.
But, seriously, all this activity, and multiple tuning dates etc etc and not a single before and after dyno or drag strip pass???
Just doesn't make sense to me how someone can sell a product without any real life measurement of performance improvement.

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Don't get me wrong, I am really excited that someone is willing to take on the challenge of tuning the Tundra platform.

But, seriously, all this activity, and multiple tuning dates etc etc and not a single before and after dyno or drag strip pass???

Just doesn't make sense to me how someone can sell a product without any real life measurement of performance improvement.


Yeah, I agree @ViktorG . I'm all for someone finally being able to tune our ECU but what/ how does it really improve our trucks?
Wondering if it's similar to the Bully Dog? Different animal but there was a lot of hype around the BD but not much improvement for the cost, especially the inflated cost when the BD first came out.

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i'll pay for his tune out of shear safety of the engine.. Magnuson's tune is crap for the ffv supercharger (better than the unichip but still crap). It starts knocking around 4600 rpms and then the truck pulls timing and dumps fuel to bring the afr down to the low 10's on my wideband. He's able to get rid of the stupid stutter shift, remove the torque management. The peak numbers don't change drastically but your low & mid range you'll gain quite a bit (very similar to the bullydogs but he's doing it safely). he has dyno charts floating around stating just that. As far as the drag strip times, my truck has never seen the drag strip as is the case with many others. Those people would need to share that info for those to be around, blame those that haven't shared the drag strip info, not Dustin. The dude is legit & has refused my money for a while now until he can look at a ffv supercharged truck in person and see what its doing & why. I seriously can't wait to get rid of the bullydog once and for all.

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Correct. There really is not a large amount power to be gained. Toyota did a great job in that.

This is about all around drivability and the ability to maintain a proper environment for the truck throughout the rpm range

This engine runs EVERYTHING off real time sensor readings. Think about that for a second. There are no fuel maps like on other manufacturers.
The sensors are constantly adjusting everything that we traditionally "tune" the parameters of. This negates that type of tuning entirely.

So now you are left with high and low values. Somewhere in that gradient are the proper adjustments for EACH VEHICLE. Because they are all different. Especially the boosted vehicles. Hence no canned tune for us s/c guys.

I want the tune for the torque management and transmission tuning. I want to use the power I have. I personally don't give a shit if i gain more power. I already have plenty.

And I REALLY want a tune for my 4Runner. The factory tuning on these is set to "püssy".

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I'm planning on making a trip to his shop soon. The other programmers sucked, especially the BD tuner. I like that he adjusts the program you already have on your truck. That was the major flaw with BD. They just flash with whatever version they own. The problem with that is 2nd gen ffvs have an updated program that keeps your truck from thinking it's running flex fuel. Bd does not have that version and probably never will. After loading the tune, my truck going into flex fuel mode and getting my truck flashed again at the dealer, I dumped BD. Dap keeps the trucks current ffv algorithm. I'm thinking that combined with no tq management, will make it worth 400 bucks.

Edit: my apologies. My wife says I repeat myself a lot, so being the parrot that I am, you folks have probably read at least 15 posts about my BD experience... I'm sure it won't be the last. Maybe I should just put it in my signature and never have to post about it again.

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This engine runs EVERYTHING off real time sensor readings. Think about that for a second. There are no fuel maps like on other manufacturers.
The sensors are constantly adjusting everything that we traditionally "tune" the parameters of. This negates that type of tuning entirely.
Not sure where this information is coming from.
The Tundra fuel management system is not fundamentally different from any other vehicle.
Of course there are timing maps and fuel maps that the ECM looks at based on inputs from the MAF, crank angle sensor and TPS.
You simply cannot run this engine just off of sensor inputs under load since the ECM cannot even see an AFR that is richer than 12:1.
Your truck has absolutely no idea if you are running 10:1 or 11:1 AFR, it has no ability to read that low since the translated A/F sensor voltage is 0 V whenever the mixture is richer than 12:1.
Unichip is a piggyback system that tunes the truck by keeping the maps stock, but altering the MAF, crank angle sensor and TPS output.
Bully Dog and, I assume, DAP tune by rewriting the timing and fuel maps, which is the proper way to do it.
I see there are a lot of BD haters out here, but I have dynoed the BD time and time again to give significant power increases on both NA and SC (non-FFV) engines, without any driveability issues.
Not knocking on DAP tuning, but unless he tunes your truck real time on the dyno, you are still just getting a canned tune same as BD.
If you are however getting it tuned on the dyno, DAP definitely has an advantage.
As far as BD on FFV, I have no comment, thankfully Toyota does not sell any FFVs in Canada - seems like it is a garbage problem ridden system from everything I have read.

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