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New Tundra likely in 2021... Shared platform with Tacoma, electrification

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...atform-report/

Sorry if this has been posted. Seems like kinda big news.


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I read it somewhere else, but Toyota responded that TNGA wasn't part of the truck lineup.
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If you remember where you saw that, it would be cool. Every article I've read on the topic says Toyota doesn't comment on future plans.

Frankly I don't know how they could put two different sized trucks on the same platform. I think the Tundra would be getting the short end of this since it doesn't sell nearly as well as the Tacoma.


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So will the Tundra be smaller or the Taco be larger and will both become a hybrid of sort?

I dont really tow much but maybe a uhaul trailor now and then, so it might not affect me much
but those of you who do tow weekly or so, might impact you all alot.

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Another article on the same topic.

https://leftlanenews.com/toyota/next...share-a-frame/
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This comment in the that article is interesting:
Carmaker1 • 4 days ago

Yes, that would be TNGA-F. F1 is the internal codename, versus actual program code.

The Tundra is supposed to enter production on or around August 3, 2020 at TMMTX. Sequoia the following calendar year, while unfortunately the LC 300 was "allegedly" pushed back (rumor).

The 4Runner is rumored to be redone for 2021, but that defies logic to me, when TNGA-F debuts with the Tundra and flagship Toyota BOFs. A "new 4Runner" for 2021 seems more like a very puzzingly belated second facelift or fake news to me.

Next Tacoma is being designed and current one has an EOP of July 2022. Next Tacoma equals SOP in Q3 2020. Current N300 truck was simply a major redo of previous N200 Tacoma (2004-2015).


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Body on frame vehicles traditionally don't go modular like what everyone is doing with the "ONE PLATFORM, FOREVER!" thing going on right now across brands and markets with unit-body vehicles (crossovers, cars, and minivans). Although, when Nissan debuted the 2005 Frontier they claimed the platform was based on the recently new at the time 2004 Titan, admittedly pretty loosely. I just think it would be a waste of time to try and match two different vehicle class performance targets (i.e. strength and weight) with two vastly different sized vehicles that need to have vastly different capabilities. Sure, some component sharing could cut costs, but they already do that.

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Only time will tell...
The 2021 date for the Tundra would follow the 7 year cycle.
Stream lining frames for efficiency wouldn't surprise me being Toyota (I guess that means the Tundra will not push into the "HD" market.
Electrification doesn't surprise me as our Gov't, at least up here is pushing that way including commercial/ industrial building systems (although we have a lot of "clean" hydro generated power here.


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I just think it would be a waste of time to try and match two different vehicle class performance targets (i.e. strength and weight) with two vastly different sized vehicles that need to have vastly different capabilities. Sure, some component sharing could cut costs, but they already do that.
What components do the two share now? Seems like everything is different.

I don't believe having them both on the same platform is going to make a difference that we will notice. Supposedly Nissan uses the same platform for a lot of vehicles of different sizes: "The F-Alpha is an automobile platform from Nissan Motor Company which is used in their trucks and SUV's. The latest version of the platform is the basis for the Nissan Frontier and Titan pickup trucks as well as the Nissan Xterra, Pathfinder (2005-2012), Armada, Nissan Patrol Y62 and Infiniti QX56 SUVs, and Nissan NV series van."

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I guess that means the Tundra will not push into the "HD" market.
Swears flat out says no HD and no diesel, and he would know. Expect some sort of hybrid, though.


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What components do the two share now? Seems like everything is different.
I think the Tundra shares some parts with the Sequoia and the LX570.
Maybe that's what he meant......


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Bummer. I was hoping for a 3/4 Ton Tundra HD option.

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I read it somewhere else, but Toyota responded that TNGA wasn't part of the truck lineup.
Not exactly refuted ....


That was likely autoblog where Toyota responded

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Update: Toyota returned our message for comment with an official statement: "Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) has been successfully implemented on many of our new cars and SUVs. While we're always exploring ways to improve upon our efficiency we have nothing to announce in regards to trucks at this time."

Which pretty much means nothing since Toyota never comments on future changes until they are made public.
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In gen 1's or 2's the early 4Runners were based on the Tacoma. The Sequoia linked to the Tundra. I just seem to not be able to fathom, how you get to the Tundra 1/2 ton based truck thru a Tacoma class vehicle. Are they going to downgrade the Tundra to fit the sole purpose of sharing parts between the two?

If they can't increase Tundra's current towing numbers along with some better fuel mileage, I think your going to see the people who buy them to put them to work like contractors, pulling a construction trailer, landscapers, RVers...leave the market. Myself I test drove a F-250 (6.2 L) last week in preparation in what might happen a year from now when and or if the next gen Tundra is announced.

Personally I like the size of the double cab (2014). Unless your trying to fit a few of your 250-300 lbs. buddies in the back seat, DC is the right size. Mine is used to tow a 29' RV trailer at 7500-8000 lbs wet (loaded).
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Are they going to downgrade the Tundra to fit the sole purpose of sharing parts between the two?
Probably not. Whatever "sharing a platform" means, apparently it can be done on different size vehicles, like the Frontier, Titan, and NV van. I suspect the things the Tundra and Tacoma share will be invisible to us. Stuff that makes it a little easier and cheaper to manufacture both of them in the same facility.

There won't be an HD Tundra though. It just doesn't have the numbers, particularly among the "cowboys" who wouldn't be caught dead in Jap truck. The Tundra's niche is people who like Toyotas and want a big assed powerful truck with lots of room... primarily to commute in, and occasionally maybe tow something.


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It's really not that big of a stretch to see how Tacos and Tundras could be built on the same platform and still perform well. The TNGA now underpins everything from the Corolla to the new Highlander, quite the spread of size and capabilities.


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