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I live down the street from a Tundra R&D guy and he said 2015 will be a new design for the Tundra, but nothing other than interior tweaks until then.
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If Toyota drops the regular cab option, not interested. If it's still available for the third generation, then maybe I would be interested in a third or fourth model year if everything is good.


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Can someone explain to me a purpose for putting a diesel in a half ton? Diesels are meant to work, right? Why would you want an expensive workhorse in a truck that is limited by its chassis and suspension? Or, are we talking about the same reasons they put diesels in jettas?

Exactly what you said. The fuel economy on diesel engines is significantly better than gasoline, because the lack of combustion keeps the engine cooler, making it more efficient. As Ford/Dodge/Chevy owners can attest, they also run a hell of a lot longer, and the extra power doesn't hurt.

Same reason that most of Europe uses diesel, its just an all around better fuel type to use, for any platform.

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Totally agree..and it shouldn't be hard to hit 20 MPG with a 1/2 ton and get good performance. My 6.7L crew cab 1 ton gets 17 all day long...was getting 19 but I think we got winter fuel because I lost 2 MPG overnight. And that's 400 HP and 800 TQ...imagine a smaller diesel engine in a 1/2 ton.
i'm sure they'd be upwards of the 20 easily, if the cummins is able to get 22mpg no problem they could easily get it, not to mention keep the high tow #'s they already get easily. & we've got the winter blends here too, evident by the mpg drop

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Can someone explain to me a purpose for putting a diesel in a half ton? Diesels are meant to work, right? Why would you want an expensive workhorse in a truck that is limited by its chassis and suspension? Or, are we talking about the same reasons they put diesels in jettas? I don't know anything about diesels, just always knew they were put in some 3/4 and 1 ton trucks so you could haul anything and pull a house off its foundation if you wanted to...
longevity, mpg's, novelty, torque,

they will easily destroy the big 3 in mpg's with a turbo diesel & they've had it in the hilux over in the other countries for years, so its there its just a matter of introducing it to the states. If yota brings a diesel i'll be in line to trade my truck in on it

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Exactly what you said. The fuel economy on diesel engines is significantly better than gasoline, because the lack of combustion keeps the engine cooler, making it more efficient. As Ford/Dodge/Chevy owners can attest, they also run a hell of a lot longer, and the extra power doesn't hurt.

Same reason that most of Europe uses diesel, its just an all around better fuel type to use, for any platform.
Diesels used to be a great alternative to gas. They were about 40% more efficient, had fewer moving parts, were easier to work on, and definitely lasted longer. However, with the current advancements in gasoline tech, and the high cost of emissions equipment, new high maintenance schedules, and the way over the top price gouging of diesel fuel, there is no way that a small diesel can affordably compete with a direct injected modern gas motor. (Unless you absolutely need the torque, like in HD platforms.) IF Toyota were to put a small (3.5-5.0) diesel in a roughly 5,500lb truck, it would make about 300 HP and about 550 lbs of torque. And probably get about 25-28 MPG HWY at best. (Which is great, although Creo would want more torque at any cost.) But the cost of the damn thing would still be, say conservatively and by some magic, around 5 or 6 thousand dollars more than the 5.7. It makes no sense to pay five grand (which is about 500% more than the cost to upgrade to the 5.7 from the 4.6) when you only get 40% more efficient, but pay about 118% (18% more) of the price of gas. Add in the cost to maintain the damn thing, and it makes even less sense for Toyota to try and risk putting that much on already price and maintenance conscious buyers. The only one ballsy enough to do it is Ram, and I fully believe they will be the first. But then Ford will rock their world with marketing and a much stronger buyer segment. Once these guys prove out the market, GM will jump in, and then Toyota. Toyota will be last, but of course, they will have the most advanced tech, but they seriously need to gain (probably double) their market share in trucks for it to even be worth thinking about.

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[QUOTE=MikeMc;975491]Probably more like this;



^^^^Oh man I hope not! ^^^^ Keepin the 12'
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I live down the street from a Tundra R&D guy and he said 2015 will be a new design for the Tundra, but nothing other than interior tweaks until then.
Though I'm sure they'll take all the time they need, I have to admit that I hope it's 2014 that we see the refresh. (yes, it's for selfish reasons) I've seen articles like this on several sites:

2014 Tundra - What To Expect Tundra Headquarters Blog | Tundra Headquarters Blog

Yeah, the web is certainly full of misinformation, but I really hope to see something at the supposed unveiling, next month.

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Aftermarket ARB Locker is cheaper than the TRD package - which is a waste of $$$ anyway.

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That thing is BEAST - other than the mirrors. I would love one if it looks like this. I reminds me of the Jeep concept - Hurricane, those things were awesome looking.

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Probably more like this;



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[quote=N2Deep;976820]That thing is BEAST - other than the mirrors. I would love one if it looks like this. I reminds me of the Jeep concept - Hurricane, those things were awesome looking.


Mirrors are ugly and so is the bumper.
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Especially those bad ass wheels and tires!!!!

Like the body lines of the hood, front and rear fenders.
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Probably more like this;


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Aftermarket ARB Locker is cheaper than the TRD package - which is a waste of $$$ anyway.
Never thought about that.
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Diesel vs gas.
I look out my front window and see my 2013 Tundra and my Ford f250 diesel.
Yes my F250 gets pretty good milage, however with diesel fuel at the same price or more than gas it is fast becoming a moot point.
My F250 costs approx double the price to maintain as a gas engine.
If something breaks on the F250 the repair costs are double.Or more.
Today i put said F250 in the paper for sale.
For the lovers of the cummins diesel.......they no longer get good milage.....at all.
As for the 2014 Tundra, if its a half ton truck then i am fine with my 2013. If Toyota put out a 3/4 ton pick up i would buy one.
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If they wait til 2015 to upgrade and then only change the interior they better be willing to throw huge amounts of money on the hood. Their sales will drop well below 60K a year also. The competition is just too good to sell 100K + trucks a year with an eight year old design.

If Toyota wants to get to 200K units a year they better be willing to go BIG!

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Otto123,
how reliable " is the guy down the street" ?
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