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Thinking of Toyota as my next truck. Need advice on towing a 28' , 9,500lb Trailer

So my '03 Chevy has been WAY to high maintenance. It's a 2500 Avalanche 3/4 ton, 8.1L gets about 6-7mpg when towing, and 10-11 without. I'm on my 4th fuel pump and many other things, and I'm done with it.

I heard Toyota makes really good trucks, I'm just concerned about a few things:

- They only make 1/2 tons, how will that effect me
- I heard the gas tank is only around 24 gallons, that may be a concern when towing and getting 10-12 mpg.

My trailer is an Arctic Fox 27F, about 28' long, dry weight is 7500, gross weight 10,500.

My only fear is going back to Chevy with the duramax or something, and having nothing but issues again. I really wish Toyota would make a 3/4 ton, why don't they!!!
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If you've been thinking about a new diesel then a new Tundra with the TRD Supercharger and a set of airbags for the rear should be within your budget. A setup like that should be capable of jerking the axles out from under your camper- 504 HP all covered under a Toyota warranty. The Tundra is the only 1/2 ton pickup to tow a space shuttle. Just saying. Lol



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My camper is roughly 7500lbs. I don't have a bit of trouble with it and I don't have a supercharger. I got 11.5mpg my last trip and that was with some hills. Have you weighed your trailer? 3k is a lot of additional weight since you said 7500 dry and 10.5k loaded. Mine is 6310 dry and around 7500+ loaded not including water which I never fill up, and that's with about anything you'd ever need to camp with.

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If you've been thinking about a new diesel then a new Tundra with the TRD Supercharger and a set of airbags for the rear should be within your budget. A setup like that should be capable of jerking the axles out from under your camper- 504 HP all covered under a Toyota warranty. The Tundra is the only 1/2 ton pickup to tow a space shuttle. Just saying. Lol



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Thanks, I was actually looking into a 2007-09 or so, I have about 25-28k for a budget. Upgrading from a 2003.

That's what I see, it even towed the space shuttle. Why does everyone tell me I need a 3/4 ton at LEAST then? What's the big difference, I don't understand. Also, the small 24 gallon tank would require me to upgrade to a larger one. Not sure why toyota would do that for a truck that gets 13-17mpg, and 8-10mpg towing. I could only get maybe 200 miles on a tank if I was towing.
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I haven't towed that much weight for a long trip, only around town. It wasn't a problem at all. The 5.7 puts out more hp than the 8.1 & I'm pretty sure the same torque. The Toyota transmission is good quality with 6 speeds with automatic/manual option that works great for towing, almost like engine breaking when put into lower gears. My buddy has the same avalanche u had and I think the tundra is better for what u need. Tundra is built like a 3/4 ton truck in my opinion, engine, trans, differential, driveline, front suspension ect.......... Maybe rear suspension could use upgrade.

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Tundra has 26.4 gallon tank

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Thanks, I was actually looking into a 2007-09 or so, I have about 25-28k for a budget. Upgrading from a 2003.

That's what I see, it even towed the space shuttle. Why does everyone tell me I need a 3/4 ton at LEAST then? What's the big difference, I don't understand. Also, the small 24 gallon tank would require me to upgrade to a larger one. Not sure why toyota would do that for a truck that gets 13-17mpg, and 8-10mpg towing. I could only get maybe 200 miles on a tank if I was towing.
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Tundra has 26.4 gallon tank
That's crazy! Wonder why. Then again that's standard for 1/2 ton's. Sucks for the people using it for tow though. What are ya'll getting for MPG pulling a 8,000lb trailer?

And to he who asked why I estimated my weight so high. The dry weight is 7500. I've also added 3 huge solar panels, storm windows, and 4 75lb AGM batteries. Add the water and such, I figured it all to be an additional 1,000lbs. Better over-estimate than under right?

Also, 28k would get me a 2010? Looking around, it was more like a 2007 or 2008 if I wanted the 5.7L, 4x4, leather, etc.

Thanks for all the replies though, they are very useful!
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Local dealer is selling new 2013's for about $5K off sticker A SR5 4X4 should be about $30K new , a nice used 2010 should be easily had for under $28K though my math may not be applicable in other areas of the country. Check out fitzmall.com to get an idea. The last 2012's they had were about $8K off sticker. Shouldn't be too long till the 2013's are getting more $ on the hood from Toyota.

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Engine and trans can handle it but I do not think the frame may be rated for your load. What is your tongue weight?

Tundra is still a 1/2 ton truck and I would do do the math for gvwr. Not sure what you cargo and people weight would be?
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^^^ X2.

The Tundra has plenty of power to tow the weight but may not have the payload to carry the tongue weight plus passengers and gear. What body style are you considering? How much weight do you plan on carrying in the truck?

The payloads can range from a low of 1310 (crewmax) to around 2000lbs for a regular cab. A trailer of that size can have a tongue weight exceeding 1100lbs (12%) which only leaves 200lbs for passengers in a crewmax. Will it handle more? Sure, but are you comfortable exceeding manufacturers ratings?
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I tow a 30' travel trailer, approx 7800 lbs loaded. Power is fine, but you will quickly run out of payload like others have said. Gas mileage will be terrible, I got 7-8, on a good day maybe 9 with a range of only 150 miles that I would feel comfortable towing without the fear of running out of gas. For these 2 reasons, payload and mileage, I sold the trusty Tundra and picked up a F250 superduty diesel. Really miss the Tundra, but very happy so far with the towing capability and towing mileage with the diesel. It is also my daily driver. Good luck with your decision.

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Also, 28k would get me a 2010? Looking around, it was more like a 2007 or 2008 if I wanted the 5.7L, 4x4, leather, etc.
I just bought my 2010 5.7 DC SR5 for $25K out the door... took about an hour of haggling but its not unreasonable.
I'm on the west coast (CA) and have noticed when I was searching that the prices are less the further east I looked.. dont know why but they were.

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That's crazy! Wonder why. Then again that's standard for 1/2 ton's. Sucks for the people using it for tow though. What are ya'll getting for MPG pulling a 8,000lb trailer?

And to he who asked why I estimated my weight so high. The dry weight is 7500. I've also added 3 huge solar panels, storm windows, and 4 75lb AGM batteries. Add the water and such, I figured it all to be an additional 1,000lbs. Better over-estimate than under right?

Also, 28k would get me a 2010? Looking around, it was more like a 2007 or 2008 if I wanted the 5.7L, 4x4, leather, etc.

Thanks for all the replies though, they are very useful!
Just a thought....

Instead of guessing or estimating take your loaded trailer to your local truck scales and just WEIGH IT. Also, find buy or borrow a tongue scale and weigh the loaded trailer to get your actual tongue weight.

Depending on where you located all your add on trailer accessories, you could easily have tongue weight or total trailer weight issues should you go with a 1/2 pickup. Better to know for Sure than to Guess when it comes to buying a new vehicle.

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TV GVW hitched with no WD – TV alone GVW = tongue weight

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