Stop The Hemi Bashing

[coalminer]

What part of this are you asking if its legit?

[Tundrawwjd]

Doing what it says to do? lol

[ProCharger]

Originally Posted by Tundrawwjd

Is this legit anyone?

at the track lean does = fast but lean also = popped head gaskets, detonation, ect.

"I havn't seen what the factory a/f is but I am sure it's around 15.5-16 (a little rich) at idle and 14-14.5 at wot."

USUALLY stoichiometric is considered to be 14.7 (idle) and Wide open throttle runs tend to be around 12.0 I disagree with his above statement. I have a wideband o2 sensor ($800 dollar sensor that uses a TRUE wideband, not the $40 dollar summit racing sensor) I may throw on my truck to get some realtime readings but the ones listed above seem WAY off.


The part dealing with the hemi pulling on basically any car/truck on the road while in 2nd gear....total bull! I had a guy in a hemi trying to run on me one night after a motorcross event. We were both empty and I let him have the jump from about 30....low and behold I reeled him in and passed by 60.

My thoughts....

Basically what he said besides some I listed above is some great information.....








If you drive a hemi

[TundraCA]

As a former owner of a 2004 Hemi Quad Cab 4x4, I have to disagree with some of the things this guy posted.

First off, I've never seen any STOCK 2wd Hemi Quad Cab run mid 14's stock. They just don't do that. With a programmer, maybe, but not off the showroom floor. Low 15's is more like it.

Secondly, yes, the Hemi does have a good top end pull. The difference (again, speaking as someone who put 40,000 miles on a Hemi truck) is that while the Hemi has good top end power, low end power is average. The 5.7L IForce (due to VVT and somewhat with gearing), has a great low end grunt, and an exceptional top end pull. I'd personally put my truck up against any other half ton gas truck from a roll and prove it has a better top end.

So, I'm on the fence with this subject. I loved my Dodge, and think it has a great motor. But, in stock form, the Tundra has a better torque curve, more power, smoother acceleration and is all around, a better performance truck off the lot.

The 4th Generation Ram coming out this Summer will match up better to the Tundra than the 2003-2008 Ram models.

[tundratalk.net]

bs a single cab 5.7 hemi with 392 gears from factory will run 14's stock they get up to 0 to 60 in mid 6s with a intake an programers there mid 5s your tundra is way over rated

[Tundrawwjd]

Originally Posted by tundratalk.net

bs a single cab 5.7 hemi with 392 gears from factory will run 14's stock they get up to 0 to 60 in mid 6s with a intake an programers there mid 5s your tundra is way over rated

Maybe it can!
But dont under estemate the Tundra's 5.7 Its Better then the ( ALMOST ) Hemi!

[tundratalk.net]

no buddy your 5.7 tundra is way over rated or let me say pos it would not be fast at all if it wasint for the gearing

[07Sport]

so...how do you spell troll?

Im not trying to be critical of the Dodges, and I have only good things to say about both my Dodge Hemis that I owned, but the simple fact is a rc Hemi will not, under any circumstances, in stock form run better than a 14.9. If Im wrong, prove it.

PS - You can save your time, as you wont find any examples, since they dont exist. Im talking 100% stock, down to the paper filter and tires at full weight.

[puulboy]

Ignore the troll, maybe he will go away if everyone just doesn't reply to his ignorance. He also has another thread talking smack. You know, he was the one that got his A## beat at the playground in school.

[TundraCA]

Originally Posted by tundratalk.net

bs a single cab 5.7 hemi with 392 gears from factory will run 14's stock they get up to 0 to 60 in mid 6s with a intake an programers there mid 5s your tundra is way over rated

You are dreaming if you think a programmer and intake (an intake isn't as noticeable on a mass-density air intake like the Ram has) cuts 1 second off a 0-60 time. That comment right there, proves to me you have no clue what you are talking about.

To get into the 13's, a regular cab needs more than a Superchips programmer and intake. It needs long tube headers AT LEAST.

If you want to know what you are talking about, visit Dodgetalk.com and look up a user called Hemi450HP. He's got about 20,000 posts and is an avid drag racer. You'll see what he ran with bolt-ons - high 13's. And for the record, a "bolt-on" is more than just a crappy intake and programmer. It involves headers, cams, springs, rods, traction bars, drag radials, weight reduction, gearing, transmission work, etc.

And, you can see what he runs now with a Sharadon built tranny, bored motor, high stall converter, etc.

Am I trashing Hemi trucks? No. I owned one for 3 years and loved every minute of it. Is it a great motor? Yes. Can it be modded to be very fast? Yes. Do I think it can compete (and beat) a 5.7L Tundra, yes - but not in stock form.

Let's be honest here. Talking trash about which truck is "faster" when modded is speculation at best. There are turbo'd 5.3L Silverados running mid 11's. A turbo Hemi can't touch that (if you don't believe me, check out streetfire.net and search). Can a modded Titan run 13's? Sure, when modded (with a 100 shot of nitrous I might add).

The only way to TRULY argue which one is quicker, is to look at them in completely stock form. Down to the paper filter. That is an equal comparison, and speaks about the engineering and design of a vehicle.

Comparing "modded" trucks has absolutely NOTHING to do with which truck is better. It HAS to do with with truck has more aftermarket products. If you really are a Hemi guy, then you should know there are no custom tunes available (besides an SMT-6 which 99% of people shouldn't operate). And, even with that, they have to play around considerably with the settings to make the truck run right with a turbo or supercharger.

From what I know of Hemi trucks (and mind you I was on Dodgetalk for about 3 years), you can buy the following for a 2003-2005 Hemi (non-MDS):

1) Heads
2) Cams
3) Pistons
4) Hardened pushrods
5) Stronger springs
6) Longtube, mid-length and shorty headers
7) Electric fans (most Hemi guys just swap a Viper fan)
8) Shortbelts (for drag racing, bypass power steering)
9) Intakes
10) Cutouts
11) Catback exhaust systems
12) Gears (up to 4.56, and I think one company makes 4.88's)
13) High stall torque converters
14) Traction aides (bars)
15) Programmers - Superchips, Hypertech, Bullydog and Diablo (Jet chips suck)
16) Nitrous kits
17) Widebands
18) Superchargers
19) Turbo kits

I'm sure I'm missing something out, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.

Guess what we can buy for our 5.7's?

1) Intakes
2) Exhaust systems
3) Shorty headers
4) TRD Supercharger (from what I've read out this summer)

So as you can see, comparing the two when modified really isn't a comparison. Dodge has more stuff available. And guess what? GM has more aftermarket parts than Dodge - which means Silverados can consistently be modded and be FASTER than Hemi trucks (or any other gas motor).

So, to truly compare the two, go stock vs stock. Anything else isn't a comparison in who makes a better truck, but who has more aftermarket parts.

[Siggman]

Originally Posted by tundratalk.net

no buddy your 5.7 tundra is way over rated or let me say pos it would not be fast at all if it wasint for the gearing

Over rated or underated its still faster than your Hemi for whatever reason Or why else would a troll like you be on here. I dont go to the dodge forum and talk trash. I let my truck show them how loose a race on the street.

[ramoine]

Nevermind , lol !

[Griffin]

Whats funny is that all these trolls state that their Ram has "this & that mod" to allegedly match/beat a STOCK Tundra... they NEED mods to even try against a stock Tundra.

So what are they gonna do when they run into a modified Tundra?

Plenty of good Tundra intakes, exhausts, couple good headers already... hell, programmers dont look to far away either... of course, the NoS squirters...

Sorry Hemi, you lose!

[TX Tundra 07]

Originally Posted by tundratalk.net

no buddy your 5.7 tundra is way over rated or let me say pos it would not be fast at all if it wasint for the gearing

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't his truck modified with 4.56 gears?

Pot: Hello Kettle.
Kettle: Hello Pot.
Pot: You're black!

[puulboy]

OK OK OK So I guess we could say if the Tundra was sitting up on blocks it wouldn't be fast either. Isn't the transmission and gearing stock on a Tundra? Why do some people come to a mental fight unarmed ?
I hope he gets over Tundra envy. Although he is providing great entertainment

[sxd45]

lets see if he gets a new screen name, as you can see super mod sxd45 took care of him!

[ramoine]

Originally Posted by sxd45

lets see if he gets a new screen name, as you can see super mod sxd45 took care of him!

Can you ban his IP , or not ?

[DCTTFF!]

Originally Posted by sxd45

lets see if he gets a new screen name, as you can see super mod sxd45 took care of him!

You are supposed to let me roundhouse kick him out before you give him the boot.

[ramoine]

Originally Posted by DCTTFF!

You are supposed to let me roundhouse kick him out before you give him the boot.

Yeah , go take care of nissantitan !

[DCTTFF!]

Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!