Stop The Hemi Bashing

[Nukedog]

Go away troll. Be slow and happy...

[TheFridge]

Seriously guys, let's ease up on the new tundra owner. The real question is, If you love the hemi so much, why did you get rid of it?







I remember now, because they suck!!!!!

[xhemidriver]

Fridge - Not sure if that was directed at me or not. I got rid of my hemi b/c i was bord and wanted a new toy. I traded it for an 06 Jeep Wrangler then started my normal (buy a vehicle dump $$$$ into it for 2 years then trade it for a new toy routine) I have had my jeep for 1-1/2 years now and $15-20G later I am board with it. I am looking to get truck again. As fun as a jeep is offroad, after boggers, f/r lockers, super low gears and ford axles w/ custom suspension it is next to impossible to drive on the street. At highway speed i'm turning over 3grand on a stright six and w/o sway bars in need 3 lanes of travel everytime the wind blows more than 5 mph.

I am torn between getting a tundra, waiting for the diesel tundra, or getting a new cummins.

Yes the powerwagons are super cool. They just need to put the bigger 6.1 hemi or better yet a diesel option on the list and it would be the best truck around. IMO.

Theres also been talk of DC dropping the SRT-10 and doing an SRT-8 1500 w/ the 6.1 in a 2wd rcsb.

My original purpose in joining your site was to see what kind of mods/potential the tundra had. I have to say I am kinda dissapointed soo far. That why I am trying to give a little help. Hopefully some people will try the things I sugested. Once I see the results I am sure I will be heading to the stealership to spend some more green.

[alreadydead]

xhemidriver,

great post very informative,

thanks

[Mickey]

Man I remember both and I liked watching Simon and Simon. Man alot of write up in previous posts. I guess that does away the TRD exhaust as a waste of money. I thought this was researched by Toyota to be the exhaust that was tuned for the 5.7. Apparently he has alot of gas there. Or we can get a Chrysler Titan.

[ramoine]

Simon & Simon = 1 Tough Power Wagon !

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

Stop The Hemi Bashing

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No.

[jpnca]

Originally Posted by Griffin

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No.

Twisting the knife

[Hawaii 5.7]

Chrysler Titan... That be funny right der man...

[jtruck618]

I had an 02' Ram with the 4.7 and it was a great truck but lacked on power. The Ram w/a Hemi could be a great truck but I dont know, never driven one. The power wagon is awesome and Im sure a diesel will be in the future. But, diesel is $4.20 a gallon where I live!

[TOPSECRETTSI]

The mopar guys are always just a tad different. They are by far the most brand loyal people I have ever seen. I however am not I buy what I like and whats the best for me. I looked at dodge and their is no comparison. So all the hemi boys can say what they want but I and the rest off the tundra owners drive a superior truck and I don't think it's going to change when the new ram comes out and definitely not when the new ford hits the lots. He's trying to help us with all his free mods that may make some power. I for one like power and if it's free or close to it all the better but I like looks as well and will not trade one completely for the other thats why I bought a 36k truck in the first place.

[sxd45]

The whole point of the power wagon was to not have a diesel, I have seen people rock climb with those things and a diesel would be out of the question for some off roading scenarios. Now if I revamped the power wagon I would put the srt8 motor in it 6.1 I think? Now that would be sick.

[ramoine]

Yes, that would be a truck worth considering !

[jester28]

Care Factor 0

[07tundrarider]

i wonder if the programming shit he said is true bc lets be real, its alot cheaper

[Tundrawwjd]

X Hemi Driver I respect a lot of the things you say and i dont think your a troll and i dont even believe in any one person on a forum can be a troll thats imature of one to say, with all honesty i dont think some people will stop bashing the hemi to let you know. I appreciate your trying to help and look forward to have some of that help and use it on my tundra if its legit of course. And to the rest of you calm down and think about what he says before you go off!

[TOPSECRETTSI]

We just all get excited all of us love the tundra and wouldn't trade it for any other truck. It's cool all the tundra guys are so tight. Remember we all have taken a lot of stupid crap off all of the domestic boys so we all have are guard up.

[07Sport]

As a two time former hemi owner (04 2wd, 05 4wd), Im gonna address and correct a couple of your points...

The first Id like to just point out to all if it hasnt already been mentioned, is the reason the Dodge computers suck so badly, is the type of air induction system used on the Dodge is a speed density system and not an MAF like the Tundra has. The speed density system will recognize and essentially negate any change in incoming air volume etc., making alot of minor bolt ons ie cais and exhaust etc. pretty much useless. That addresses alot of the issues behind the dodge ecm problems.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

2nd - the dodge ecm sucks moose d*&k! Even with nos is takes 10-20 passes before the ecm starts to learn and make adjustments. Your should expect the same. I have personlly whatched a Dodge runnin a 125 shot drop 1.5sec in the 1/4 over the span of 10 runs or so from his first pass on nos without making a single change and cutting a consistant 1.6 60 every run.

3rd - all dodges (except the 03's) have a nazi tcm (torque contol management) computer. This is where most of the power to the ground gets lost on the hemi's. The tcm tells the ecm to retard fuel and timing off the line in an effort to eliminate converter slippage. On the 03's you can pull a wire going into the ecm that keeps max tranny pressure at all times and cuts a strong .5 off the 1/4 time. This is the main reason why you can nail a Hemi off the line put he pulls you around the 1000ft mark.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

4th - Yes stock to stock simular trucks the tundra is faster. make no mistake about it. However a stock 2wd RCSB Hemi with a driver that knows how to use the truck can run 14.4-14.5 all day. If you hesitate, blink, etc you will get beat. 4-5 10ths in the 14 sec class is only 3/4-1 car car length or so.

I hate to be so blunt, but you sir are crazy if you think a stock rcsb dodge will run a 14.5. I never ran mine personally, but the best EVER fully stock time I saw mentioned on any dodge forum was a 14.9. Now, if you are referring to trucks with their tailgates/spares removed etc., they might pull a 14.7 in stock form, but your going to need some type of minor boltons to get you to 14.5s in a reg. cab dodge. Thats in no way a negative on their potential, as with heads/cam, tq converter etc., you can be in the 12s.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

6th - Top end, any hemi will eat just about anything else on the road given the right driver. (They have the best 2nd gear gearing around) This includes a Tundra, 350Z and will even run door to door with a C5. Its hard to get 5000+ lbs moving but once it does good by. (Agian why you get passed around the 1000ft mark when you have a hemi beat by 1-2 trucks off the line. This goes back the the TCM agian)

Id dare any Hemi with the same mods as me (stock other than exhaust) to even attempt to pass me on the top end. Unless something has greatly changed since the 04 model Hemis, they dont hold a candle to the Tundras in top end.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

7th - A stock hemi will dyno between 245-265 hp at the wheel not 212 as i have seen posted. (Yes still well shy of the 289-295 of the tundra)

This is very true, most hemis i saw were in the 255ish range. I saw a couple around 270 stock, and a couple around 240, but 212 is insane. However, Ive also seen Tundras in the 320 range, and most ive seen are in the 305-310 range stock.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

10th - Exhausts are a waste of money. You would have to be putting down 500-600 hp before your exhaust would make a difference. HOWEVER - you should remove your Cat and Muffler and replace them with just regular pipe. If you have emisions to deal with (we have none in Florida) buy a $40 set of old school manual cutouts. $500 exhaust systems are for dummy's.

12th - INTAKES ARE A WASTE OF MONEY - Just pull the stock filter out when you race. (This was good for 1-2 10ths) Any one who knows will tell you that 200cfm (ball park #) is plenty for any motor up to about 4-500 hp. (Except for a deisel with a 20:1 compression ratio) Make a trip to Home Depot. Buy some dryer vent hose, pull your air box and clamp the dryer hose to the intake hose and run it to the bottom front of the truck. This was good for 3 10ths at the track.

I think on dodges this goes back to the speed density system, but I agree that expensive exhaust or cais are mainly a waste of money unless you have added a supercharger or are flowing significantly more air than stock.

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

BASHING HEMI's will get you know where. If you would spend some time asking some of the "Expierenced" Hemi owners they could help you to make your Tundra run Close to a 13.5 1/4 for around $5-600. (2wd RCSB) Maybe even break into the 12sec class for around $1000 or so. I know of several hemis that run low 13's on motor with no more than $2500 Parts. Go to DodgeTruckWorld.COM. Most of them would be glad to help. The only problem may be finding one of us original Hemi Truck guys. Unfortunatly The aftermarket just isn't going to offer too much for the Tundra. Toy likes to keep all thier info to themselves where others share info with the aftermarket.

I agree here also, but also will say, go to any brand truck forum and youll find the same going on of all types other than the brand represented there. They are bashing Tundras on the dodge boards etc. If you dont like the atmosphere here as an ex dodge driver, maybe you should move on to greener pastures, though I doubt youll escape the ridicule on any competitors boards.

[07Sport]

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

Whats the fastest 07-08 you have seen or heard of?????? I can't find anyone running faster than high 13's.

Maybe you should start listning to what I am saying and stop trying to pick fights.

I dont have a video, but there is a Tundra double cab with a 100 shot running 12s thats been mentioned on other forums.

Maybe you should come down off your high horse and join us in the real world. I have no issues with anything youve said, but I do take exception to the condescending tone you choose to say it in.

[Tundrawwjd]

Originally Posted by xhemidriver

I am bord now and my mind is racing with things we did to make our hemis faster. YOU ALL want a programer right???? Forget that, all a programer is going to do is change timing an fuel a little. Go buy an $40 A/F gauge and buy a male and female connetor for your air sensor. Make a plug in adapter with some wire and the conectores and buy a reostate at radio shack. Now you can change the reading that the ecm is getting reguaridng air density. Dial in the reo using the A/F guage until you get around a 12.8 to 13.3 ratio AT WOT NOT IDLE. (Lean but still on the safe side) The ECM will think its 10* outside all the time with really dense cold air and compensate by adding a little more fuel. Now you have a programmer that is adjustable on the fly by the twist of a dail, that you can remove in 2 min when you have to take a trip to the steelership. I havn't seen what the factory a/f is but I am sure it's around 15.5-16 (a little rich) at idle and 14-14.5 at wot.

At the track "Lean = Fast"

If you want a little more power disconnet the o2 snesors. (THIS WILL THOW A CODE and pop the idiot light on) However it will richen the fuel mixture even further. Now use the Reo to retune. The two of these together might be good for 25whp.

Is this legit anyone?