Super Springs... Read This

[RunItHard]

Originally Posted by TampaTundra

awsome review and thinking of getting a pair. But did you say that when the truck has nothing in the bed or on the hitch, no load, the height dropped 1.5" after you put these on?

No, it only dropped 1.5" with my travel trailer hooked up and a bunch of heavy camping equipment including a 3500 watt generator and 7 hp outboard motor in the bed.

[TampaTundra]

O wow. Thats what I thought but just wanted to make sure. Thanks. And fabulous full circle review again.

[snarl]

This person seems to be onto something here.

Possible Tundra Bed Bounce Cure Found | tundraheadquarters.com

[rmjdrift]

This looks liek a great idea

Might have to try it and put it to the test on our great 101 freeway, but i still want the Supersprings, lol

[RunItHard]

Originally Posted by snarl

This person seems to be onto something here.

Possible Tundra Bed Bounce Cure Found | tundraheadquarters.com

Makes sense to me. The foam would allow the weight of the spare to move a fraction of an inch in opposition to the direction of the bed on each bounce, effectively canceling out much of the harmonic.

Thanks for sharing that.

[Cuda]

Originally Posted by RunItHard

Makes sense to me. The foam would allow the weight of the spare to move a fraction of an inch in opposition to the direction of the bed on each bounce, effectively canceling out much of the harmonic.

Thanks for sharing that.

Just a bit of advice on the miracle "fix". After some time the foam took a "set", thus greatly reducing the dampening effect. ( I read all the treads). The real soultion to this problem needs to come from TOYOTA. Just one mans opinion.

[Ralphie]

Originally Posted by RunItHard

No, it only dropped 1.5" with my travel trailer hooked up and a bunch of heavy camping equipment including a 3500 watt generator and 7 hp outboard motor in the bed.

I just installed what are supposed to be the SSA11 on my '08 Tundra. After trying multiple locations for the Super Spring, I was finally able to attach both the front and rear shackles only if I used a C-clamp to bend down the spring in the front to first attach the front roller and then use the C-clamp in the rear to attach the rear roller.

With this approach I basically used the frame to hold the rear section of the Super Spring down as I worked the front down and then went to the back. When I attached the front roller without putting tension on it, the rear was 4-5" higher than it should be which prevented me from getting the rear roller attached.

I was finally able to get this together. After I figured out the first side the second side went very quickly. However, there is so much preload on the springs that the truck sits about 1 1/2" taller.

Does this seem right? I have not read of anybody else having this challenge. I am at least 1 1/2" taller with the rollers in the low position.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Deznutjob]

Originally Posted by drvntoytrucks4years

After reading the forums regarding the 05-07 Tacoma sag and bottoming out issues, I put the SuperSprings on a 1 month old, 07 Tacoma DC prior to even trying it with a load. I like the ride, but I don't like the rake effect since the rear ride height changed. I'm thinking about taking them off. This is my 5th new Toyota truck and I've never had issues with loads or towing before. I tow a boat, haul ATV's, camping gear, etc. I also commute in the vehicle and have put hundreds of thousands of miles on my previous trucks. Any advise or comments?

Talk to these guys bro, they will tell you everything you need to know and will have everything you need. Deaver has a lot of history and a lot of experience in the leaf spring industry. Give em a call! They have leaf spring equipment for old and new Taco's and Tundra's DEAVER Products.

[jhip]

So these springs lower the rear about 1.5" as well?

[jpnca]

I think he is saying it only dropped 1.5" loaded

[tedstundra]

Originally Posted by RunItHard

Just installed a set of "Super Springs" and couldn't be happier. One of the few products that actually lives up to 100% of it's claims.

This product not only does a fantastic job of replacing expensive air-ride systems and the leak and compressor problems that go along with them when towing or hauling heavy loads, but the stock ride feels exactly the same with the exception that they eliminate a lot of rear end sway, bed bounce and wheel hop.

I towed my 32 foot, 8,700 pound travel trailer without the weight distribution hitch this weekend, and only used my Reese anti-sway bar to see what would happen. The ride was fantastic! Solid control cornering on tight mountain roads and when passing semi's on two lane highways, and none of the "bouncing ball" feel I'd sometimes get with the air-ride system on my 98 Dodge Ram.

I measured the hitch height before hooking up, and it only dropped 1.5" over stock with nothing on it.

Before I went on my trip I ran down the freeway over a concrete section were the semi's have created "waves". Running over this section the day before set up some pretty serious bed bounce between 65 and 70. With these springs I had zero bounce running the same stretch of freeway. That's worth the price alone ($279.99 plus $45.00 for the mounting kit required for the 07 Tundra.)

I also notice a lot less rear end sway taking some sharp freeway transitions; (40 mph speed limit taken at 67 with dry road conditions.) And this is in a 4x4 with a higher CG! Before I installed the springs I would start to feel uncomfortable hitting this turn at 55 mph. (By the way, I don't advocate everyone doing this because this is how people get killed. I've been road racing cars for over 20 years, and I progressively push the envelope on familiar roads like this when there's no traffic. I don't do it with others in the truck, so if I loose it and crash, I'm not going to be taking others with me.)

The install was very easy. The instructions could have been a little more detailed, and you MUST be careful that the install doesn't crimp, crush or cut your break lines as that would be a very bad scene! I had to hand bend the stock brake line brackets to make sure nothing would rub.

You also need to use a hack saw to remove 1" off the top of each bumper stop so you can install the above axle brackets that hold the springs. You could totally remove the bumpers if you wanted, as you'll never be bottoming out against the frame once you install these babies.

The springs for the 07 Tundra are rated at 3,000 pounds, and work in conjunction with the stock springs. The beauty of these springs are that they don't work like typical helper springs that are "always on" and make your ride uncomfortably hard. These springs are tapered and have rolling shackles that only start working when you add load. They're truly progressive, which means the amount of positive force against the load is proportional to the amount of weight being loaded, so they're like an active air-ride system that's constantly adjusting psi.

Something I had to find out for myself. I tried to have all of the lower shackle bolts facing in, but soon realized I at least had to have the bolt on the forward side of the spring on the driver's side facing out, as the bolt was so long that it would have rubbed against the gas tank skid plate and possibly the gas tank itself, and you don't want that!

So, if you tow or haul heavy loads with your truck, or are just looking for a much more stable ride without a hard feel, bed bounce or wheel hop, then do yourself a favor and check these out!

I am impressed by the writeups about the benefits of the Super Spring when installed on the Tundra. I only have a couple of questions. 1. Does the installation of an after market item (specifically the Super Spring) impact the warrenty on the truck? Especially as a modification to the truck is required for the installation. 2. Even though the Super Spring raises the bed of the truck under load, it seems to me it doesn't do anything about the weight distribution. Isn't it true that for a TT hookup (not a 5ver) one would still need a WD system installed? And, if I understand, it really does nothing to increase the allowable spedicifed payload of the truck. Which for a 5.7L DC is 6800 lbs. That would tell me that it would be very benificial for bed mounted loads, a 5ver for instance, but one would still have to be mindful of the total hitch weight of the trailer. Does the Super Spring actually increase the payload by some amount ( I hope)? Please unconfuse me.

[drewnick]

I bought supersprings back in early January. They say "SS A9" on the bottom, but the manual inside the box says SSA14. Anyone have an idea on this?

I'm also interested as to how this changes the payload capacity, as the last poster before me asked about.

Drew

[Ralphie]

I have an '08 Double Cab Tundra with standard 6.5' bed and after all the great reviews of the Super Springs I took the plunge for the SSA11's.

On my truck the SSA11's needed to be pulled down about 5" in order to secure the second roller. This put so much preload on the spring pack that it raised the truck nearly 3" and really stiffened up the ride.

Most of the installs I have seen pictures of or read reviews about the Super Springs required very little effort to pull the Super Spring down to the original spring pack. This was not the case for me and I was lucky to have large C clamps to pull the Super Spring down onto the original spring pack.

I called Super Springs to see if this was normal and they were outstanding to work with. They sent out some longer shackles to see if that would take some of the preload out of the heavy duty SSA11 spring with the standard shackle. I installed the springs a second time when the long shackles arrived and the long shackles took much or the preload out of the Super Spring that was raising the truck and making the ride harsher than I wanted when unloaded. The problem with the longer shackles is they would hit the frame when the truck was loaded.

I called Super Springs again to discuss and we are now going to go with the less heavy duty SSA7's. The 7's should be ideal for me because I am not hauling extremely heavy loads all that often, but when I do, the extra help of a Super Spring would be great. The 7 is a thinner spring blade and will not preload the truck as much or make the ride as harsh when unloaded as the 11's did.

I will update once I get the 7's installed.

As of today I would say the 11's are probably ideal for somebody who is constantly carrying at least several hundreds of pounds in the bed. For that type of situation the SSA11 should be ideal, but be sure you have some long "C" clamps for the installation.

However, if the truck is not loaded that often and you just need the Super Springs for the occasional heavy load or weekend towing, the SSA7's may be better.

With the 11's and no load in the bed the ride was quite firm and truck kind of looked silly with the back raised almost 3" in my opinion.

The folks at Super Springs are very helpful and responsive. This new Tundra has been a challenge for them in identifying the proper springs to use on the Tundra but they are committed to making it work and extremely helpful.

[tedstundra]

Originally Posted by Ralphie

I have an '08 Double Cab Tundra with standard 6.5' bed and after all the great reviews of the Super Springs I took the plunge for the SSA11's.

On my truck the SSA11's needed to be pulled down about 5" in order to secure the second roller. This put so much preload on the spring pack that it raised the truck nearly 3" and really stiffened up the ride.

Most of the installs I have seen pictures of or read reviews about the Super Springs required very little effort to pull the Super Spring down to the original spring pack. This was not the case for me and I was lucky to have large C clamps to pull the Super Spring down onto the original spring pack.

I called Super Springs to see if this was normal and they were outstanding to work with. They sent out some longer shackles to see if that would take some of the preload out of the heavy duty SSA11 spring with the standard shackle. I installed the springs a second time when the long shackles arrived and the long shackles took much or the preload out of the Super Spring that was raising the truck and making the ride harsher than I wanted when unloaded. The problem with the longer shackles is they would hit the frame when the truck was loaded.

I called Super Springs again to discuss and we are now going to go with the less heavy duty SSA7's. The 7's should be ideal for me because I am not hauling extremely heavy loads all that often, but when I do, the extra help of a Super Spring would be great. The 7 is a thinner spring blade and will not preload the truck as much or make the ride as harsh when unloaded as the 11's did.

I will update once I get the 7's installed.

As of today I would say the 11's are probably ideal for somebody who is constantly carrying at least several hundreds of pounds in the bed. For that type of situation the SSA11 should be ideal, but be sure you have some long "C" clamps for the installation.

However, if the truck is not loaded that often and you just need the Super Springs for the occasional heavy load or weekend towing, the SSA7's may be better.

With the 11's and no load in the bed the ride was quite firm and truck kind of looked silly with the back raised almost 3" in my opinion.

The folks at Super Springs are very helpful and responsive. This new Tundra has been a challenge for them in identifying the proper springs to use on the Tundra but they are committed to making it work and extremely helpful.

I would be very interested in the outcome of your latest attempt to get the right spring. A lot has been written by people who installed supersprings, with varying outcomes. I was under the impression that the right spring adds just a little preload to the truck suspension, thus significantly reducing the bed bounce problem without changing the ride in normal use. And, the spring took very little effort to connect the standard shackles by the lowest setting. Let us all know if you have another experience.

[Ralphie]

I received the SSA7's today and immediatly installed them. The SSA7's came with the same brackets as the SSA11's on one side and one a bit shorter on the other end.

Thankfully, I still had the SSA11's and harvested the slightly longer bracket from them so that I had equal length brackets on the front and back of the SSA7's.

With this bracket system the install was much cleaner. I still had to compress the back about 5" after the front bracket and roller was attached, but there is much less tension/preload in the SSA7's which makes it much easier to turn down far enough to attach the rear roller.

The SSA7's only lifted the rear of the truck about 1" as opposed to about 3" with the SSA11's.

I have not had a chance to evaluate the ride, but expect it will be acceptable. My truck is an '08 Double Cab and did not have any bed bounce issues. It is the most sure footed truck I have owned and I have had 1/2 and 3/4 ton Chevy's for the past 15 years, trading every 3-4 years.

My primary reason for the Super Springs was to give me a greater capacity for weight for those few times each year my payload is at or above the truck's limits. I am hopeful these springs will accomplish this. It is such a simple concept I cannot see how it will not help.

Many who struggle with the bed bounce or commented on the Super Springs have '07 trucks. I am not aware of any spring changes from one to the other, but do know the SSA11's would have only been good for me if I always had a load of let's say 1,000# or more in the bed. Otherwise the preload was just too great and ride too stiff. Not the great ride the Tundra had without the Super Springs. The SSA7's seem to be just the ticket. I will have to leave bed bounce discussions to those who are experiencing them as thankfully I am not.

I will post if I find the ride negatively impacted by the Super Springs, but I do expect all is good with the SSA7's.