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Fishtails on wet roads braking straight

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Have a 2006 tundra with tires marked (iirc) 245/70r16. Vehicle has fishtailed on wet roads driving and braking straight twice now at low speeds (less than 20mph easily), the most recent time actually hitting a car adjacent. Very minor damage, but the fact it happens at all is disturbing. ABS light is on at the moment, but the car fishtailed previously before it came on.

I have driven pickups 2 decades, have an older f150 which while it can be made to skid on wet roads braking, has never shifted horizontally on such skids, and am wondering if this is simply a design feature of the tundra or if there is something I can do (tires I assume) to make the vehicle stay straight when braking.

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any weight in the back? may help
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any weight in the back? may help
no weight, the vehicle is almost always empty in back. Do other tundra owners have similar fishtail occurences? It also can happen if I give the car gas right after a turn, though only a small horizontal shift in back unlike when stopping.
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ABS light is on? Sounds like too much rear brake bias to me.
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Check the wheel cylinders for leakage. If you have drum brakes in the rear, the brake fluid on the shoes will make it lock up.


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Is the abs light always on? If so your abs will not work, also what condition are your tires in? Low tread on the tires will make it alot easier for them to lose grip on wet roads. Also what type of tires? I know when I had BFG MT's on my old grand cherokee the rear end would always slid out from under you when their was alot of water on the road.
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Tires, and tire inflation pressures, make a huge difference. If it still has the stock ones, those have a "B" traction rating, which is really a wet braking test. Not particularly good.

Under inflated tires also tend to hydroplane, so check that. Sometimes, what is best for dry cornering is not so good in the wet.

Also, the ABS system may have been starting to fail before the light came on. Even on ice, the ABS on our 2005 kept it in a straight line, even with the worn original tires.
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Sounds like you need your brakes adjusted. Its not the truck, its something with the brake system not properly adjusted it sound like.
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Ive seen too many trucks fishtail [including myself] and lose it on wet roads. When the roads go bad and since I dont have weight in the bed I go to H4wd.

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