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2017 5.7 FFV - Oil Change Every 2,500 miles?!

I just pulled up the maint schedule for my new 2017 Tundra which happens to be a FFV. My 2014 non-FFV Tundra oil change interval was every 10k miles. I heard the FFV's were 5k miles, but looking at this, it is every 2,500 miles?!

http://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/docum...7TundraFFV.pdf

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I checked the non-FFV and its still every 10k miles. WTF?!

http://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/docum...S-17Tundra.pdf
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Ah, I found this in the manual:

"Flex Fuel Vehicles (Use of E85) When using E85 fuel, your engine oil and oil filter may need to be replaced more often. If using E85 fuel more than 50% of the time, change the engine oil and oil filter every 2,500 miles or 3 months. If using E85 fuel less than 50% of the time, follow the normal engine oil and oil filter
change schedule (5,000 miles or 6 months)"

I read that also to say if I am using E85 0% of the time, change the oil every 10k miles.

So when does the maint light come on in this scenario?

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On my 2016 FFV the light comes on at 5,000 miles, kinda sucks because I don't run E85 fuel.

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Non-FFV: Every 10k w/0w-20 synthetic

FFV running regular pump gas: Every 5k w/0w-20 synthetic

FFV running E-85 50% of the time or more: Every 2500 miles w/0w-20 synthetic

According to the manual.

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My question is this, how does the dealer know you're running E85 more than 50% of the time?
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My question is this, how does the dealer know you're running E85 more than 50% of the time?
Maybe the ECU logs the alcohol sensor values. Just guessing...

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Then how come I can't see when I plug my module in and do a scan?
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Maybe the ECU logs the alcohol sensor values. Just guessing...
I know that the ECU will give a fuel alcohol ratio. Not sure if it records it over time. Personally, I'd just let the service advisor know when I went in for the oil change. Since I don't use it, my oil gets changed every 5k miles.

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2017 5.7 FFV - Oil Change Every 2,500 miles?!

I don't use E85 either, plus I change the oil myself.
I don't know what gets logged and what doesn't. I was just stabbing in the dark.


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I have argued that there can't possibly be anything different in the bottom end of a FFV vs a nonFFV. That would tell me there is no reason to require a 5,000 mile oil change if you're not running anything higher than E10.

I believe the 5,000 oil change is just a "cover our butts" interval based on off and on again E15 to E85 usage.
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I have argued that there can't possibly be anything different in the bottom end of a FFV vs a nonFFV. That would tell me there is no reason to require a 5,000 mile oil change if you're not running anything higher than E10.

I believe the 5,000 oil change is just a "cover our butts" interval based on off and on again E15 to E85 usage.
That might very well be true and if you're comfortable with that on your vehicle (or someone else is on their FFV engine), go for longer intervals between oil changes.

That still doesn't change the oil change intervals in the owners manual that, I would speculate, came from Toyota's engineering department. How and why the engineering department came up with those intervals does not seem to be published.

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When I spoke with the Toyota salesman I was working with about it, he said he also owns a FFV Tundra, doesn't run E85 and gets his oil changed at his dealership every 10,000 miles.

I'm curious how the free ToyotaCare deal applies to this. When you take it in for the first 2,500 mile service listed in the manual, do they do a free oil change? Or are the free ones only at 5,000 miles?

"The ToyotaCare plan covers normal factory scheduled service for 2 years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first."

2,500 miles or 3 months
Check installation of driver’s floor mat
Inspect and adjust all fluid levels
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If you don't run E85 then get an oil analysis and find out how long you can go between changes. Blackstone told me 10K would be fine on my tundra. There are a lot of factors to consider.

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If you don't run E85 then get an oil analysis and find out how long you can go between changes. Blackstone told me 10K would be fine on my tundra. There are a lot of factors to consider.

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On my 2016 FFV the light comes on at 5,000 miles, kinda sucks because I don't run E85 fuel.

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Pretty sure the light at 5K is for tire rotation. I get a light every 5k but im not FFV


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