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Just because you haven't heard or read of it doesn't mean it hasn't taken place in the US. I can guarantee if someone in an over loaded rig plows into a member of my family, there will be a thorough investigation and lawsuits to follow. Weight limits are enforceable for more than big rigs, the general public can be subjected to being put on a set of portable scales and fined accordingly. Negligence causing a fatal accident can also lead to negligent homicide charges brought upon the individual operating an overloaded truck or RV which is responsible for the accident that causes the death of others. Just because you can pull something doesn't make it legal or ethical to do so. Actually foolish bravado is just another way to wreck many lives when bad things happen. I see many of folks rolling down the road in RV's who have no business being behind the wheel of such a large vehicle. IMO, if someone wants a 40' diesel pusher and wants to pull a trailer or their car, they should have to be tested and licensed to do so.

I watched an older man just about drag his little Jeep through a 5' deep ditch while making a left turn. The fool made the turn sooner than he should have, the Jeep teetered on the edge. I saw a guy pulling a 40+ foot 5th wheel just about wipe out a small car when he turned sooner than he should have. Then the overloaded fools, amazing what people think is safe. Saw a guy with a Ram 1500 sporting the Ecodiesel badges, must have thought he was driving a HD truck since it was diesel. He had a 30+ foot RV hooked to the back, the bed full of misc junk. That sucker had the headlights pointing at the sky, just an accident waiting to happen. He probably didn't much care about his family because they would more than likely be suffering injury or worse, right along with him.
But people on this forum are pulling huge trailers all the time that are overloaded as well LOL. Doesn't matter what you throw under the hood or in the springs its still a 1/2 ton truck. The automakers and their stupid commercials are absolutely no help in the matter either. They keep pushing numbers up on their towing/hauling specs and people are stupid enough to say well the automaker says I can pull this 20,000lb trailer with my Ford Ranger so it must be ok. Its not about what the commercials show on their "closed" tracks, its what is safe in reality in the real world with other moron drivers to contend with. Sure your truck can tow all that weight but when someone in a "Smart" car pulls out in front of you, or otherwise cuts you off, can you stop that 20,000lb trailer? Highly doubtful, although that "Smart" car will help you slow down a little but not much.

I don't look for Toyota to be doing anything for a larger capacity truck anytime soon. Look, we've had the current Tundra for 10 years they aren't going to jump into anything new anytime soon.
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Not to knock the big three, but look at Tundra's front axle spec 4,000lbs then look at older 3/4 front axle spec (10 yrs approx). The spec of 3/4 trucks back then were equal to Tundra's now, also compare front spindles and bearings of F350 to Tundra. Toyota has over built the Tundra since 2007 model year to be used as platform for future 3/4 - 1 ton trucks. I know payload needs to be increased ( leaf springs ) and larger brakes to benefit the 3/4 - 1 ton but the platform is in place to make it happen. I think Toyota is making a mistake by not using the 4.5 diesel that they already have, I know the emissions might be the issue with that power plant. This proven diesel would give 1/2 ton owners the range of 20-30mpg in a full size truck, that's awesome. These are just my 2 cents.


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Not to knock the big three, but look at Tundra's front axle spec 4,000lbs then look at older 3/4 front axle spec (10 yrs approx). The spec of 3/4 trucks back then were equal to Tundra's now, also compare front spindles and bearings of F350 to Tundra. Toyota has over built the Tundra since 2007 model year to be used as platform for future 3/4 - 1 ton trucks. I know payload needs to be increased ( leaf springs ) and larger brakes to benefit the 3/4 - 1 ton but the platform is in place to make it happen. I think Toyota is making a mistake by not using the 4.5 diesel that they already have, I know the emissions might be the issue with that power plant. This proven diesel would give 1/2 ton owners the range of 20-30mpg in a full size truck, that's awesome. These are just my 2 cents.


I would love to see a side by side comparing the parts. That would be awesome to see.
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To be a 3/4 ton you have to be able to haul 1500 lbs..
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To be a 3/4 ton you have to be able to haul 1500 lbs..


Funny you say that. People cry when a 1/2 ton won't carry 2000 pounds. If it carried 2000 pounds that would make it a 1 ton.
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Funny you say that. People cry when a 1/2 ton won't carry 2000 pounds. If it carried 2000 pounds that would make it a 1 ton.
But my truck does carry 1ton, not even on bump stops yet.
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But my truck does carry 1ton, not even on bump stops yet.
So has mine, but that doesn't make it a 1 ton or even a 3/4!

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So has mine, but that doesn't make it a 1 ton or even a 3/4!


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I can guarantee if someone in an over loaded rig plows into a member of my family, there will be a thorough investigation and lawsuits to follow....I see many of folks rolling down the road in RV's who have no business being behind the wheel of such a large vehicle.
But the RV is perfectly legal and certified safe! A Tundra with upgraded suspension hauling 2500 lb in the bed poses much less risk to everyone on the road than one of those rigs. The Tundra will stop faster, accelerate faster, maneuver way better, and have less chance of tipping over. GVWR ain't what you think.

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So has mine, but that doesn't make it a 1 ton or even a 3/4!
Nope,its a Toyota silly.


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I think at very least Toyota should be able to have an increased GVWR option that could run a couple grand and get you a conservative 500-700lbs increase GVWR. The brakes are not the weak link here, nor the drivetrain. The springs and shocks will need retuned, maybe additional frame bracing in the front and rear sections, and load rated tires. Depending on the weight ratings upgrade to 8 lug hubs might be required.

I am on the fence for need of a 3/4 ton. I don't tow anything over 3k lbs but I haul a few days a week. Just picked up materials with my brother-in-law last weekend, he's a somewhat large guy. Materials and us both in the truck put me almost 100lbs over GVWR with a full tank of gas. I'm not looking for the duty cycle and 3000lb payload capacity a 3/4 ton truck allows but a few more pounds would be nice.

Bonus points for ram box style bed storage options.

I know everything but the suspension is suitable for a small jump in GVWR. Ford and GM offer increased GVWR options on all their 1/2 ton trucks.


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