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Being as I am in Mi, most people buy from the "Big 3", but mainly GM and Ford.

3 people have bought new trucks in the last few months.

One f150 EB, 2 gm 5.3's.

The 150 was $48k sticker. The interior is no where near what the Plat that I bought for just a touch more than that. Now, had he gotten a Plat, it would likely be a different story, but then a huge jump in price.

The 5.3's so far are only getting 2 more mpg than I am getting around town.
One guy tows his camper and has said it lacks power. Not a huge camper, only 5300lbs.

All 3 guys had to add a brake controller, and all 3 went with the cheapest one they could, which is likely on par with the oem yota brake controller. It is no Tekonsha Prodigy, but it is still better than nothing, or the cheapest one out there.

When they do the testing, at least in all the reviews I have read, they normally test the 6.2 unicorn engine package in the GM's.

I looked into one when I was first looking at trading my truck. Way too much. Even though I could build it online, dealers said I couldn't get the truck the way I built it online and could only get the 6.2 in the upper echelon of packages, which would have been more than my Plat cost me.

If you liked your current truck, you won't be disappointed with a 17 imo.


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I say buy a GM truck.
I am always looking for someone else to talk to while sitting in the waiting room at the Chevy dealer getting that p.o.s. worked on.
Or if you are not interested in hanging out there, maybe consider the Toyota.
Toyota is in a different category than the big 3.
They don't buy their way into publications like the big 3.
Hands down most reliable truck anywhere.
Well hell,if Toyota got a FREE gift of BILLIONS of Taxpayer's dollars like GM,they could buy their way into Auto Publications too!
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Guessing this is brake controller? What's wrong with it?

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2016 Brake Controller problems

Hoping they have it fixed in 2017.


Yes, only letting you know because you mentioned towing. Sundance is the biggest defender of it "working" but keep in mind he has a 2014, which isn't even capable of having one.

It wouldn't deter me from buying my Tundra again, just be prepared to disconnect it and put an aftermarket IBC in your truck if you need one.




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Well hell,if Toyota got a FREE gift of BILLIONS of Taxpayer's dollars like GM,they could buy their way into Auto Publications too!
Bingo! The government made an ass ton of money off of using Taxpayer dollars too lol. http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...ent-motors-era

There's no way while I am on this planet that I would EVER buy another product from them or anything associated to that Kompany.

Ford didn't go that way but they have been plagued with problems all across the board. For the amount of time they have had in mfg vehicles they can't build something more free of issues then they have a "people problem". Other companies (Toyota!") have been able to do it so why not them? Because the American buyer is willing to forgo quality for flash. The Big3 and others know that Americans are willing to blow this cash on a shiny POS in the weak attempt to out class his neighbor or coworker. Well, that doesn't last too long so they'll buy yet another! So why make a vehicle or anything that will last when they're going to get rid of it right?

Scroll down to the bottom of the reliability chart:

http://www.consumerreports.org/car-r...cars-by-class/

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I too, feel very qualified to talk about 2017's...I just bought one last night.

Jarrett, I had a virtually pain free and stress free experience with my used 2007 DC sr5. Bought it used in December 2009 and 7 years later all that needed fixing was a squeaky serpentine belt and the water pump started to weep. Less than $600 in actual mechanical repairs in 7 years!

Other than regular maintenance and oil changes there were no regular visits to dealerships or auto mechanics.

Also, my 2007 2wd (with a shit load of scratches,) sold for $15,450. A 10 year old truck. I paid $21600 otd in 2009 for it. A little over 6k in depreciation over 7 years?

Thats phenomenal.

Stop and soak that in for a few minutes...

And truly that's what made my mind up about getting another tundra. Believe me, I tested ford's, dodges, Nissan and the chevy Silverado. All are good trucks and feel very modern and "Tech" heavy. By god Ford is moving the game on right now with eco boosts and tech, chevy/gmc is making trucks feel like luxury sedans and not workhorses anymore. Lastly...Dodge. Ram eco diesel. That is a really nice engine and trans, damn it made the tundra feel like I was riding a bucking bronco with the gear changes. Seriously considered it. The ride was so plush and smooth. Storage, use of spaces, cubbies just awesome.

However, I'm an HVAC mechanic and I see enough "new tech" to know more tech = more problems. Guaranteed.
I shared your anxiety about buying something that wasn't top of its class, I know the 2017 Tundra isn't pushing the market forward. I've read and watched countless reviews online about the Tundra falling behind, lacking "tech" and Toyota is lazy. Etc etc.

Well...I can't argue with professional reviewers who sit in the best trucks offered by manufacturers for a day or three, do planned, safe photoshoots and " project" cost of owner ship in shitty long term testing.

Sad fact is, a bulletproof 10yr old power train and mechanicals, with unmatched reliability and eye popping resale values are BORING to read about. Most people want new tech and gadgetry in their lives because we're lead to believe that's what's going to make us feel good, lead better more interesting lives etc.

These professional reviewers need to generate excitement and buzz, Hp, turbos!, tires!, gadgets! To pull in the crowds, create traffic to their site/ channel and keep the production team rolling.

Meanwhile, I'll just roll quietly along in my outdated, bottom of class Toyota and get another one when it's time.
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Bingo! The government made an ass ton of money off of using Taxpayer dollars too lol. http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...ent-motors-era

There's no way while I am on this planet that I would EVER buy another product from them or anything associated to that Kompany.

Ford didn't go that way but they have been plagued with problems all across the board. For the amount of time they have had in mfg vehicles they can't build something more free of issues then they have a "people problem". Other companies (Toyota!") have been able to do it so why not them? Because the American buyer is willing to forgo quality for flash. The Big3 and others know that Americans are willing to blow this cash on a shiny POS in the weak attempt to out class his neighbor or coworker. Well, that doesn't last too long so they'll buy yet another! So why make a vehicle or anything that will last when they're going to get rid of it right?

Scroll down to the bottom of the reliability chart:

http://www.consumerreports.org/car-r...cars-by-class/


Ford did receive money from the gov
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I've got a 16 limited with 61k on it so far. Only thing I've gone in for is oil changes. I considered a 3500 Cummins at the time. But I didn't need it and I didn't want the headache of the emission crap. The tundra has been a great truck and I tow more than a couple times a week. I didn't buy a truck for mpgs and I still don't understand why peoplease care for mpgs when getting a truck. The interiors great for me I'm happy it's got an Ac. It's great truck do your research and see what you like. Because they're all the same in towing maybe a few hundred up or down for the half tons. But only few a of them will last longer than 100k.
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Simple, never consider another truck over the tundra unless the tundra will not accommodate what you plan to do. If it will tow and haul within your needs, go tundra.
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I have a 2016 ford king ranch fully loaded and it's nothing but issues. I'm trading it in tomorrow for my 2017 Tundra crewmax 1794.




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I traded and got a 16 Colorado diesel. Rattles already and not as comfortable but I get 28 mpg average and my 15 Tundra got 15. Saving $40 a week in fuel running 675 miles a week average but I am still wishing id of just sucked it up and spent the $40 extra a week in fuel for the ride quality and comfort of my 15 Tundra. I am planning on trading back. Don't listen to all those reports. Tundra is clean and not all buttoned out and Reliable. You'll be upset a year later if you go Chev.
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I've got a 16 limited with 61k on it so far. Only thing I've gone in for is oil changes. I considered a 3500 Cummins at the time. But I didn't need it and I didn't want the headache of the emission crap. The tundra has been a great truck and I tow more than a couple times a week. I didn't buy a truck for mpgs and I still don't understand why peoplease care for mpgs when getting a truck. The interiors great for me I'm happy it's got an Ac. It's great truck do your research and see what you like. Because they're all the same in towing maybe a few hundred up or down for the half tons. But only few a of them will last longer than 100k.
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I have a 2016 ford king ranch fully loaded and it's nothing but issues. I'm trading it in tomorrow for my 2017 Tundra crewmax 1794.
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I traded and got a 16 Colorado diesel. Rattles already and not as comfortable but I get 28 mpg average and my 15 Tundra got 15. Saving $40 a week in fuel running 675 miles a week average but I am still wishing id of just sucked it up and spent the $40 extra a week in fuel for the ride quality and comfort of my 15 Tundra. I am planning on trading back. Don't listen to all those reports. Tundra is clean and not all buttoned out and Reliable. You'll be upset a year later if you go Chev.
This is the kind of stuff that reminds me why I bought a Tundra in the first place. Thanks. I'm planning on picking up a 2017 on Saturday if they can get the numbers right.
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