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Old 02-23-2013, 02:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Oil change bottle trick?

I apologize ahead of time, but I tried searching and couldn't seem to find the answer. I've seen a few people mention the "bottle trick" in regards to the oil filter removal I think. Can someone tell me what this is??
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I am interested in this as well because I been changing oil on equipment and vehicles since I was 13 and I never heard of it.

Is it Tundra specific?
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I've not actually done it or seen it done but I think the concept is...

from what I recall, you use the drain tube that comes with the oil filter kit and stick it in an appropriate sized/shape bottle, Then jab it up in the oil filter filter drain and let the oil drain into the bottle instead of all over your arm.

Are you planning on changing the oil in that brand new truck?
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It isnt to remove the filter, it is to drain the oil from the filter housing so you can remove the filter without making a mess. The bottle trick makes no mess at all, as opposed to just jamming the plastic thing in there and trying your hardest to catch all the oil in your drain pan.

Take the plastic drain tool that comes with the new filter and set it in a bottle. Take the bottle and jam it up into the filter housing. All the oil will drain into your bottle. When its done, pour the oil from the bottle to your catch pan, and proceed to remove the filter, sans mess.


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Are you planning on changing the oil in that brand new truck?
Yeah, I'm almost at 1000 miles and I'd like to get the mediocre oem oil out of there and get a nice synthetic swapped in. I figure 1000 miles is enough for everything to break in nicely with the original oil unless anybody can tell me otherwise. Is 1000 miles too soon?

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You'll get mixed opinions on how soon to change the original fill. The original owner of my truck dropped the factory fill at 1k miles and filled it with M1. He changed the oil again at 4k and 7k miles. Then I bought it with 8900 miles. I didn't start doing oil analysis til I was in the high 20k mile range.

You certainly won't hurt anything by changing early and frequently, but some people will tell you that you are wasting money.

I know its not a tundra, but on my wifes car (mazda cx9), I dropped the factory fill at 2500 miles and put amsoil in it. I ran the amsoil for 7500 miles before draining it and taking a sample. The oil analysis said that there was plenty of life left in the oil, but copper and silicone was a little high, which they attributed to residual stuff from the break-in process. They said the next oil sample should look considerably better, and to put 9k miles on the oil and check back.

I don't know much of anything, but I would guess that more frequent oil changes when the vehicle is new will help flush that stuff out quicker, but I don't think you'll hurt anything if you do regular intervals right off the bat
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Yeah, I'm almost at 1000 miles and I'd like to get the mediocre oem oil out of there and get a nice synthetic swapped in. I figure 1000 miles is enough for everything to break in nicely with the original oil unless anybody can tell me otherwise. Is 1000 miles too soon?

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It should have come from the factory with a high quality synthetic and Toyota recommends the first oil change at 10,000 miles and that's what I'm going with.

I trust Toyota's advice and I think that their engines will last longer than I will need them to.
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It should have come from the factory with a high quality synthetic and Toyota recommends the first oil change at 10,000 miles
I've read on here that the 5.7 comes with standard oil, but the 4.6 comes with synthetic. Anybody know if there's any truth to that? My plan is to change the oil and filter now then change it again in another 7500 miles or so. I will take a UOA at that point to see how it looks and hope to have a good understanding at that point of what I'll stick with for the remainder of the truck's life. BadDad, I spent a ton of time reading your UOA post and that's what has led me to this path. Do you think this sounds okay?
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I'm no expert at oil or oil change intervals at all, so I can't really offer any sound advice on it, I just go by what blackstone has told me.

With that being said, if I had a new truck, I'd dump the factory fill after a couple/few thousand miles, and start using more expensive oil, and do like what you said, sample it at 7500 miles, then increase the intervals depending on what the UOA says. But then again, even if you just go by what factory recommemds, I dont think you'll hurt anything. This oil change stuff is just one of my little OCD projects that helps occupy some of my time

Some people who are enjoying the free oil changes swear by it. However, I'm gonna change my own damn oil, heard too many stories of dealerships screwing up this simple task, I.e. not putting oil back in, not changing the filter, and the list goes on. Its a very simple task, and I'd rather spend an hour in my driveway doing it, so I know exactly what went in and how much, and I know it was done right. Not to mention, I hate waiting in lines to have my oil changed, and I don't have 2 hours to kill during the week days, where I can drive out of my way, using gas, to go sit and wait at a dealership to have an oil change done, and to just hope they did it right
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I'm no expert at oil or oil change intervals at all, so I can't really offer any sound advice on it, I just go by what blackstone has told me.

With that being said, if I had a new truck, I'd dump the factory fill after a couple/few thousand miles, and start using more expensive oil, and do like what you said, sample it at 7500 miles, then increase the intervals depending on what the UOA says. But then again, even if you just go by what factory recommemds, I dont think you'll hurt anything. This oil change stuff is just one of my little OCD projects that helps occupy some of my time

Some people who are enjoying the free oil changes swear by it. However, I'm gonna change my own damn oil, heard too many stories of dealerships screwing up this simple task, I.e. not putting oil back in, not changing the filter, and the list goes on. Its a very simple task, and I'd rather spend an hour in my driveway doing it, so I know exactly what went in and how much, and I know it was done right. Not to mention, I hate waiting in lines to have my oil changed, and I don't have 2 hours to kill during the week days, where I can drive out of my way, using gas, to go sit and wait at a dealership to have an oil change done, and to just hope they did it right

I'm totally on board with the OCD project comment! I feel the same way. I think I'll wait a bit like you said and maybe do the oil change at about 2500 miles. I bought 8 quarts of GC today at AutoZone because it was on sale and because, after reading that whole UOA thread, it seemed like I stumbled onto a treasure chest of the elusive GC oil everyone speaks of! Now, I can't wait to get some miles on her so I can actually get underneath and get to oil changin! This will give me some time to get all of the little tools and accessories I think I'll need, but to be sure can you tell me if I've got all of the items on my shopping list that I need...

8 qts of GC/Mobil1/Amsoil etc.
1 OEM Toyota oil filter
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Does that cover it?!
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If it makes you feel better do as I do with the Tacoma - I mark the filter or in our case housing and check the oil before I leave. Last time was in and out in 1 hour. Just enough time to browse the top new rides and walk around the parts store.
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I've seen a few people mention the "bottle trick" in regards to the oil filter removal I think. Can someone tell me what this is??

Before attempting to remove that cheap filter housing, drink a fifth. Works for me.
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It should have come from the factory with a high quality synthetic and Toyota recommends the first oil change at 10,000 miles and that's what I'm going with.

I trust Toyota's advice and I think that their engines will last longer than I will need them to.
I have a 2011, 5.7. It came from the factory with conventional 5w20 and that's what the sevice shop replaces it with every 5k/6 months.
It's been sounding pretty rough on cold starts this winter. I'm switching to a full synth 0w30.
I believe the 5.7 started coming from the factory with synth in 2012. It bumped the change interval to 10k. (5k if it's a FFV).
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Before attempting to remove that cheap filter housing, drink a fifth. Works for me.
HA!
Beat me to it.
Although, I drank a half a 5th of 1800 tequila one time, before/during an oil change on my 4.6 V8 ford van. I couldn't remember exactly how much oil it took. The stickers in the engine bay didn't make any sense and the whole manual was in French. So, I guessed, ate some burnt pizza and took a nap.
I suggest reading the manual BEFORE drinking the 5th,.....while it's still in English.
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