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I was referring to the idea and design, the Volvo engine platform was patented so Ford basically imitated the design... but it was not a coincidence that this happened after Ford acquired Volvo.

The Ecoboost is a very nice engine in theory, unfortunately it's a Ford product.

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I grew up in a Ford family. My last truck was an '10 F150 that had a few issues. I came to Toyota because of how bad the dealership treats customers after the sale. My front bumper started rusting 2 months after I got the truck and even Ford couldnt get 4 different dealers to replace it. I was tired of being treated like crap. So far the Toyota dealer has been awesome!!!
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My only point of interest of an ecoboost owner is one that stated he bought a new F150eb with the highest towing capacity 3:73 gears But opted out of it coming with the tow mirrors due to it having a negative affect on MPG's! They really obsess over MPG's to the point of worrying about mirror size vs safety on the highway. If you can afford a new truck a big camper I think the last thing is MPG's to a point, But mirror size, come on!

You tube it and you can find the funniest things on there about the EB mpg's not being what it was advertised to be. I know what i bought - 13/17 thats the end of my story and I dont complain since my last ridgeline was only getting 16 country driving.
This guy is just silly - texting was bad this is worse - he has no clue

Put some fn air in your tires retard!

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Yep, I had a customer with an Eco with an aftermarket exhaust....it really did sound kind of weak. In the vid above it kinda sounds like an old motorcycle.

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Sounds horrible except for the turbo whistle


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The t-6 uses an inline 5 cyl. No common parts are in the 3.5l Ecoboost. The Ecoboost should be plenty durable though. It has the same bore and stroke as the 5.0 Coyote. So most of its internals are "five-liter strong". It's really the electrical/programming of the computers that is at fault for its issues. I haven't heard of any real mechanical issues, it all seems to be electronic/ sensor faults. If Ford did their homework, they could have a few software re-flashes, and that motor will run a long time without issue.


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Re: Tundra Vs F150, why buy?

Wow!!!! I just read all that about the ecoboost. That is insane how.much bs ford is putting their customers thru!!!!! I NEVER liked ford NEVER, but I was impressed with the technology of the ecoboost when I first heard about it, but now I'm not at all. I'm sure it can b fixed but it still isnt as of now it is still considered a tsb not a recall. Tundra has its problems but not like this. It's amazing that the f-150 is still the highest selling truck!!!!! I've said it b4 n ill say it again I luv the tundra n I will never by a different truck until I'm proven wrong.

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Wow!!!! I just read all that about the ecoboost. That is insane how.much bs ford is putting their customers thru!!!!!
Doesn't sound any different than the Tundra AIP issue when it first showed up. I'm not a Ford guy, but it sounds like they're addressing it the same as any other manufacturer would. The big question is whether the EB will hold up over the very long haul. If not, they won't be worth their weight in scrap after the warranties expire. We shall see...
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I agree w/ this, to a point. Modern diesels use turbos to get much more torque than they could ever muster if running NA. I guess my thought is that there's no reason a small gas motor can't be engineered for longevity w/ turbos, but I wouldn't trust an "add on" for the same. I'd probably trust an EB more than I would an aftermarket supercharger, simply because the EB was designed for it from the ground up. One thing for sure... I'd like those turbos when towing at 8000 ft, assuming that they hold up and don't overheat.
Diesels don't have a throttle body and operate under a very wide a/f ratio by controlling fuel only - n'a gas and gas turbo's have to run at the magic number of stoichiometric air–fuel mixture is approximately 14.7 - gets to lean you run into problems - same with too rich. This will be tested as the EB gets some miles on them. My only concern is HEAT over the years.


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Diesels don't have a throttle body and operate under a very wide a/f ratio by controlling fuel only - n'a gas and gas turbo's have to run at the magic number of stoichiometric air–fuel mixture is approximately 14.7 - gets to lean you run into problems - same with too rich. This will be tested as the EB gets some miles on them. My only concern is HEAT over the years.
Modern EFI / DI control systems are very fast, and can monitor/adjust per O2 readings very quickly. Granted, they're "narrow bands", but they work for what's needed. I'm only familiar w/ GM EFI systems (own an EFILive V2), but we run non-stoich rich when we want power, and a little lean when coasting, etc. I'd imagine that they all do that, to some degree. I'm confident that the future of "turbo systems" rests partly w/ advanced electronic control. We're definitely far enough along to implement such systems, but they will "evolve". Say what we will about Ford, they're putting a lot of $$ into this platform.
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Class 5 hitch on an f150(it was on a EB video and the driver said class 5 hitch? I read this also
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So essentially the CAC causes condensation, and when it gets sucked into the motor, it sets off the knock sensor, causing limp mode. Sounds a lot like the AIP issue. A problem that certainly should cause a check engine light, but not put the truck in limp mode!

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Doesn't sound any different than the Tundra AIP issue when it first showed up. I'm not a Ford guy, but it sounds like they're addressing it the same as any other manufacturer would. The big question is whether the EB will hold up over the very long haul. If not, they won't be worth their weight in scrap after the warranties expire. We shall see...
exactly.. all vehicles are going to have some kind of problem..

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Never had an F150...however...

I bought my 08 Crewmax Limited in Oct 2009 and drove it until April 2012, racked up over 90K miles in that time and never had ONE single issue with that truck. And it was fairly modified. Literally drove it all over the country and never once did that truck have to be towed or leave me stranded.

After I sold my Crewmax, I bought a F250 6.0 diesel. Had the truck for 4 months. Cost me $5K in engine repair and it had to be towed 3 times. Sold it.

Bought an 08 F250 6.4 diesel. Had the truck a month, was driving to Indiana. Made it 300 miles and the truck started losing power and blowing white smoke. Pulled over, oil everywhere. Had truck towed back to Fort Myers. Long story short - needed a whole new short block. $11K in repairs. Truck was fixed and sold immediately.

I'll never own a Ford again - the moniker is true: Fix Or Repair Daily.

Spend the $, buy the Tundra. You will not regret it.

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