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#46 (permalink) Old 11-12-2012, 10:17 PM
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Both myself, Creo, and Trent310 own new model diesels and we have out own support groups .

I still play around here. The Ford sites aren't that much fun and you have to deal with some serious brand bias that I don't enjoy. I'm pretty open minded on vehicles as long as its not Chinese or European.



You can use 15-40 in warm weather (40F I think). I use 5-40 M1 in my truck and a lot of guys use the Shell Rotella T5 in their trucks. You can also use 10-30 and that is the factory fill (FYI). 15-40 will work, but it will decrease your fuel economy as I've noticed. The Vegas dealer here uses 15-40 and I had to use the dealer the last time b/c all of my stuff was in storage from a military move. I personally would use 5-40. The manual explains each oil weight and when you can use it.

Have you read anything about diesel additives / water in fuel / draining of your water separator?
I am going to read all of the manuals tomorrow...work has been crazy...but I have read some threads & very briefly glanced through the diesel supplement manual...noticed the water separator draining...but know nothing about the diesel additives or water in fuel...ignorance is bliss...I'll probably be pissed after reading everything tomorrow! Thanks for the input on the oils. 5-40 sounds like the best bet...I don't want to run a different oil for winters and summers.

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The worse you'll have to worry about is having to buy the Diesel Exhaust Fluid, and keeping that tank full or it will put the truck into limp mode and if I remember correctly you won't be able to drive it faster than 20mph for so many miles and it will shut down completely or will only idle, read something somewhere about the DEF vehicles and its nothing but a joke to own one.

I really hope you like the new truck, they look pretty nice, along with a price tag double what I paid for my tundra LOL. My grandfather had a 1988 Ford F-250 4x4 Lariet with the 460V8, 8' bed extended cab. Loved that truck, got shitty gas mileage but would tow anything you hooked up to. My uncle has it now and has let it goto crap I seriously don't think he's had it serviced since my grandfather gave it to him along with a 21' travel trailer which has not been used either.
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Truck looks awesome. If I needed to get a diesel I'd have a SD for sure.
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That is a nice truck! Enjoy the diesel power.......



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DEF is a welcomed change. DEF allows for much less EGR (think 20-30% less) than the 07-10 emissions engines.

DEF is <$3 a gallon and I burn about a gallon per thousand miles. If you can't keep it filled, you shouldn't be driving anything on the road.

In today's EPA ruined diesels, you want one that has DEF.

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Fosterelli, whatever you do, DON'T mention the fact that you actually liked your Tundra to the Ford forum guys! I know from past experience the 'in-breed type' comments you'll read. FYI,just heard about the Pilot and Flying -J truck stops that have "one swipe" pumps, where you can get your DEF and fuel with a single swipe of your card. As others have said,stick around here, most of us are all about trucks,NOT just Toyotas!
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Alright, I probably won't go...I'll just be here a bit less. As long as y'all don't mind a former owner stalking the site! I haven't made any friends on the other forum anyway...it's just not the same. Plus, I have Dim Sum to ask all of my newbie Ford questions to!
Well if I'm somehow still not banned from here I think you'll be fine.

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If I were to buy a diesel it'd be a SD as well. Really dig on the 250/350's... LOTS of them around here in the oil field.

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Fosterelli, whatever you do, DON'T mention the fact that you actually liked your Tundra to the Ford forum guys! I know from past experience the 'in-breed type' comments you'll read. FYI,just heard about the Pilot and Flying -J truck stops that have "one swipe" pumps, where you can get your DEF and fuel with a single swipe of your card. As others have said,stick around here, most of us are all about trucks,NOT just Toyotas!
You're totally correct about the other forums! The shocking thing is the lack of participation...much less activity and content so far over there...way less entertainment value too! Guess I'll be spending my time here anyway...I have Trent and Dim Sum to help me!

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Ya know being from GM country(Oshawa the Detroit of Canada) where they made the Silverado. It's safe to say my blood was blue. The wife works at Toyota Head office and I got a Tundra '08 and driving it around town was uncomfortable to say the least. What helped was my buddy got one aswell. We both dealt with our tires getting slashed and what not. Finding this forum not only helped us with our rides but changed my views on trucks and or truck peoples mentality.
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DEF is a welcomed change. DEF allows for much less EGR (think 20-30% less) than the 07-10 emissions engines.

DEF is <$3 a gallon and I burn about a gallon per thousand miles. If you can't keep it filled, you shouldn't be driving anything on the road.

In today's EPA ruined diesels, you want one that has DEF.
Thank you for the insight. Never understood what the issue was with the DEF, and still don't know much about it, other than here in Idaho, people tend to like the older diesel engines better like the 5.9L Cummins Diesel, and the Ford 7.3L Diesel. They frown upon new technology. So I've been hearing what everyone around here has said.

So how big of a tank is the DEF tank? And how long does it last? Does the level change depending on driving conditions like stop and go or is it all consistent?
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Ya know being from GM country(Oshawa the Detroit of Canada) where they made the Silverado. It's safe to say my blood was blue. The wife works at Toyota Head office and I got a Tundra '08 and driving it around town was uncomfortable to say the least. What helped was my buddy got one aswell. We both dealt with our tires getting slashed and what not. Finding this forum not only helped us with our rides but changed my views on trucks and or truck peoples mentality.
I can't believe people slashed your tires for driving a Toyota. That's BS and it kills me that people get so upset over what other people drive. World would be a pretty dull place if everyone and everything was the same. I have caught my fair share of crap for being a vet and driving a Toyota. I just smile and drive away. Sorry to thread jack but that just got my blood boiling. Any way how's that Super Duty treating you so far fosterelli? That motor is a monster for power. I know I had a blast when I test drove one.
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Thank you for the insight. Never understood what the issue was with the DEF, and still don't know much about it, other than here in Idaho, people tend to like the older diesel engines better like the 5.9L Cummins Diesel, and the Ford 7.3L Diesel. They frown upon new technology. So I've been hearing what everyone around here has said.

So how big of a tank is the DEF tank? And how long does it last? Does the level change depending on driving conditions like stop and go or is it all consistent?
Well, all of those people would be right. The 5.9 and the 7.3 are very reliable engines, but they are old in every way. Loud, low on power, specific fuel consumption is higher than new diesels, pollute more NOx (I don't consider soot a particulate), and very loud.

All those people saw was the introduction of EGR in 03, the DPF in 08, and the DEF / SCR in +11. Each move has had growing pains, but the new DEF / SCR engines are much more reliable than the 08-10 engines. Will they be as reliable as the 7.3....maybe not, but many of these people fail to remember how unreliable the 7.3 was until its final years. As well..the 5.9 had some serious growing pains along the way.

However, the repair costs of a new diesel are much higher.

DEF allows engineers to run higher cylinder temperatures. High cylinder temperatures cause NOx creation. In the 08-10 years, we used EGR as an inert gas to replace the extra O2 in the cylinder to keep the burn temperatures down. Now, we burn at the more efficient higher temperature and take care of the NOx we create using the aftertreatment of DEF.

The Superduty has a 7 gallon tank behind the fuel tank. Towing causes a bit higher DEF usage than driving empty, but you have plenty of warning in these new trucks. At least 500 miles worth of warning.

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