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Old 07-19-2011, 10:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fact: 8 inch midbass speakers fit in the front doors



I am using Helix E200 8" shallow subwoofers in my door. The mounting depth is 2.25".

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WHere are you putting the normal speakers?
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Nice, any trimming of the door or door panel?
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3" midrange on the dash and tweeter in the stock sail panels.

And nope, no cutting was needed for this particular driver. There are a few other ones out there that I wanna try so look for those in the coming months. These 8"s have a pretty good QTS, light cone, and come in dual 4ohm which allows me to send it about 150wrms from my 2-channel amp under the driver seat.
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Were you running a ms-8? I just got some mids in and am hoping they will sound alright in the stock dash location
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hmmmm interesting! I may have to try this in the future.
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Were you running a ms-8? I just got some mids in and am hoping they will sound alright in the stock dash location
Actually no...

Currently, I am running the stock headunit to an AudioControl LC2i (to deal with the factory volume-dependent EQ) which sends a flattened signal to my PPI FRX-456 crossover and then my amps.

No EQ. Nothing fancy.

However, the mids I have firing off the dash have a pretty good roll-off where my tweeters pick up (they are mounted in angled cups).

The RTA does a pretty good job of dialling this setup in, but I'm not too concerned for now.

Stage 2 of my install includes an upgraded headunit + Audison Bit.Ten + replace stock rear speakers + A LOT MORE sound deadening...

There's a few other things taking priority right now (read: kids) though.
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I am being serious. Normal speakers are 6x8s or 6x9s aren't they? Don't you loose that sound range by using a 3" speaker?
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I am being serious. Normal speakers are 6x8s or 6x9s aren't they? Don't you loose that sound range by using a 3" speaker?
Yes, factory speakers are 6x9.

No, I'm not losing any "sound range" with the setup I have.

My subwoofer plays up to about 80hz.
From there, my midbass drivers play up to around 400 hz.
Then, the 3" midranges take over to about 4 Khz.
Finally, my tweeters take care of the rest.

By isolating each speaker, and amplifying each independently (e.g. "active"), you can tweak each's crossover points/slopes and apply equalization (if needed).
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oh yea... i forgot to post me doing something similar a few weeks ago. I recently put sundown neo-8 8" midrange drivers in all 4 doors to replace my 6.5" beymas. they sound AMAZING and get stupid loud!

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Yes, factory speakers are 6x9.

No, I'm not losing any "sound range" with the setup I have.

My subwoofer plays up to about 80hz.
From there, my midbass drivers play up to around 400 hz.
Then, the 3" midranges take over to about 4 Khz.
Finally, my tweeters take care of the rest.

By isolating each speaker, and amplifying each independently (e.g. "active"), you can tweak each's crossover points/slopes and apply equalization (if needed).
All that other stuff was the missing information. I was thinking you just changed out the door speakers to 8" subs.
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oh yea... i forgot to post me doing something similar a few weeks ago. I recently put sundown neo-8 8" midrange drivers in all 4 doors to replace my 6.5" beymas. they sound AMAZING and get stupid loud!

Yes!!

I really think that if you absolutely NEEDED the space under the rear seat, you could do a subless setup with some solid 8" drivers in the doors.

(Just some food for thought for those who are looking to upgrade)
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Yes!!

I really think that if you absolutely NEEDED the space under the rear seat, you could do a subless setup with some solid 8" drivers in the doors.

(Just some food for thought for those who are looking to upgrade)
I wouldn't go so far as to say you could totally get away with no substage with solid 8's in the doors. The 8's wouldn't really be able to play midbass and "sub bass" simultaneously. They would just end up sounding muddy and distorted, and really sound strained from trying to play too many frequencies. When you crossover a speaker it cuts down the frequencies played and puts less strain on it allowing it to play louder and less distorted. If you were to crossover 8's in the doors to play sub bass, then you could run components in kickpods at your feet, but then you're just adding more and more speakers but still not have great midbass like 8's give.

As for my setup, the Sundown Neo-8's in my front doors are strictly for vocals/midrange (450hz-5khz). My 2 Kicker RMB8's under the front seats assist the 70-450hz range and the 4 Sundown SA-8's under the backseats take care of the rest down low And, for the top-end (5khz+) I have a pair of Beyma cp12 tweeters under the dash and a pair of JL XR tweeters all the way in the back.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say you could totally get away with no substage with solid 8's in the doors. The 8's wouldn't really be able to play midbass and "sub bass" simultaneously. They would just end up sounding muddy and distorted, and really sound strained from trying to play too many frequencies. When you crossover a speaker it cuts down the frequencies played and puts less strain on it allowing it to play louder and less distorted. If you were to crossover 8's in the doors to play sub bass, then you could run components in kickpods at your feet, but then you're just adding more and more speakers but still not have great midbass like 8's give.
I respectfully disagree as I thought about this sorta thing at length and talked it over with a fellow Tundra owner who works in construction and needs to keep tools-n-stuff under his rear seat. This sort of guy doesn't want a reference-quality system, just something better than stock, and affordable.

If I wanted to do a sub-less setup in a Tundra (knowing full well that you can't ever "replace" a sub), I would the following:

- High-efficiency 8" subwoofers/midbass in the door low-passed at 150hz.
- 6.5" midrange in kick panels (beefed-up Q-logic's, for example) to get better imaging for male vocals, kick drums, etc.
- 3" full-range off the dash for the higher freq. vocals/instruments

You could power all this off one of the new-school small footprint 5-channel amps with onboard crossovers (fully-active) tucked away under the driver/passenger seat.

Even without an upgraded head-unit (get an Audiocontrol LC2i for example), this system would be very affordable, and given the right installation, would sound killer, imo. Best of all--there's virtually no cabin space lost.

Could it stand to have a subwoofer added to the mix to play down to 35 Hz? Absolutely!!!! But sadly, there's not a ton of space in these trucks and for the blue collar folks (which are A LOT of Tundra owners) who transport tools/workers, this would be a great solution.

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Hey ^rb, are the one selling that extra e200 sub on diyma?
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