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I wanted to make sure I understood what you meant by it, before responding.

If the quotes are implying that a gun grab is imaginary and paranoia,.....
all I ask is that you realize that what just happened in NY, isn't anyone's imagination. It just happened. The bill they passed will do nothing for curbing crime. We know this because there's so much history and data to reference, it's hard to know where to begin. The bill has already cleared all the handguns off the store shelves. Does that affect criminals? Do criminals buy their guns from Gander Mountain? No, it only affects and limits lawful citizens.
And the new registration of semi-auto rifles? Why do they need a data base on who has what in their home? Will the criminal renew their handgun permit every 5 yrs and submit which semi-auto rifles they own?
Do you see how this bill will literally accomplish nothing to curb crime and literally has nothing to do with what happened in CT?
Is this all in my head?
Everyone said that Sandy Hook would be used as a platform to ban "assault weapons". An AR-15 is not an assault rifle, it's a semi-auto rifle, just like any other semi-auto rifle/handgun.
There was a bunch of screaming and yelling about "assault weapons" and mass shootings and "you don't need a military weapon for hunting" and yada yada,......and everyone knew what was coming. It was all a dog and pony show and the alterior motive was to get into every home and find out who had what and limit what they had and what they could buy from here on out. ANd that's exactly what happened. So, paranoia? I said everyone was paranoid too and that it would never happen. Then I watched it happen. I changed my tune. Are you still saying that they won't pass arbitrary, bullshit gun laws that will essentially render the armed ctizens impetent? Even after what was just allowed to happen in NY?
And the funniest part of the whole thing is........the morons think that their true intentions aren't 100% transparent. And the same morons that passed this bill, openly admit that very few crimes are committed in this state with legally owned guns, by legal permit holders and even fewer are committed with the rifles that have magically become and are being referred to as "assault weapons".
So, explain how this is leading to anything other than a gun grab (directly or indirectly).
BTW, the initial bill called for literal home-to-home confiscation of anything that looked scary or could hold more than 10 rounds.
The bill that was passed, was nothing more than a more roundabout way of doing it.
If you can explain this or rationalize anything that just happened in this state as keeping citizens safer or preventing another mass shooting in CT, I'm all ears.
I agree, I didn't know the state of NY was going to do this and I was always referring to what is being talked about on the federal level. I appreciate also those of you that have provided thought out and complete responses in this thread. We may not agree on everything, but I respect much of your opinions.

I understand the difference between an actual assault rifle, (M16 A2, etc.) and an AR-15. To say that they are completely different is not entirely correct either. If they were really all that different, than citizens wouldn't want them to "protect themselves against tyranny" from the government. Semi -auto was almost always used when I was in the USMC. The AR-15 is just as deadly in most situations.

Like I've said I want to buy an AR-15. Do I need one? No, I don't. Am I going to through a temper tantrum fit, rolling on the floor, kicking and screaming if I can't get one? No.......... If trying to curb mass killings I think the larger impact would be the limiting of magazine size. Are 100 round drums and 30 + mags really necessary in the hands of civilians? I honestly didn't realize that you could still buy weapons at gun shows in some states without any form of background check. I understand there are great law abiding citizens out there that would never commit the kinds of acts we've seen, but there are also those that would. Often times we have to change society by the actions of only a small percentage.

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I agree, I didn't know the state of NY was going to do this and I was always referring to what is being talked about on the federal level. I appreciate also those of you that have provided thought out and complete responses in this thread. We may not agree on everything, but I respect much of your opinions.

I understand the difference between an actual assault rifle, (M16 A2, etc.) and an AR-15. To say that they are completely different is not entirely correct either. If they were really all that different, than citizens wouldn't want them to "protect themselves against tyranny" from the government. Semi -auto was almost always used when I was in the USMC. The AR-15 is just as deadly in most situations.

Like I've said I want to buy an AR-15. Do I need one? No, I don't. Am I going to through a temper tantrum fit, rolling on the floor, kicking and screaming if I can't get one? No.......... If trying to curb mass killings I think the larger impact would be the limiting of magazine size. Are 100 round drums and 30 + mags really necessary in the hands of civilians? I honestly didn't realize that you could still buy weapons at gun shows in some states without any form of background check. I understand there are great law abiding citizens out there that would never commit the kinds of acts we've seen, but there are also those that would. Often times we have to change society by the actions of only a small percentage.

We can agree to disagree and move on.
The question of "do we really need 100+ drums and 30+ round mags" is best answered by the individual, not the government. Almost every person in this country accepts as reasonable that weapons of "mass destruction" or weapons that may cause great collateral damage in their use should not be in private hands. What's being talked about here with gun bans, background checks, and capacity bans WOULD NOT have done jackshit to prevent any of these mass killings, but we'll do it anyway just to feel like we're trying something. I, for one, prefer that those folks go experiment with something else besides my Constitution.


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On the George Stephawhogivesa**** show this morning, I actually heard Cokey Roberts say, WHy does anyone need High capacity magazines to riddle 6 year old childrens bodies with.

Of course when Rick Santorum tried to answer, the other dizzy bitch cut in and said, who needs armor piercing ammo?

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On the George Stephawhogivesa**** show this morning, I actually heard Cokey Roberts say, WHy does anyone need High capacity magazines to riddle 6 year old childrens bodies with.

Of course when Rick Santorum tried to answer, the other dizzy bitch cut in and said, who needs armor piercing ammo?

My answer would be when someone with Body armor or an armored vehicle is trying trying to kill you but what the **** do I know.
I agree, that question, "does anyone need High capacity magazines to riddle 6 year old childrens bodies with" is a loaded question. (No pun intended) It is a silly and irresponsible question to ask.


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I don't know who these bastards are bringing logic and common sense into this knee jerk reaction gun grabbing campaign.


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With everything already said, all i can contribute is that I did not spend 10+ years protecting the constitution and laying my life on the line for these politicans to let them force regulations on me that i dont agree with. Fully autos, no way should the public have access to those, there is nothing wrong with semi autos or magazines that hold 15 rounds. its not the weapon its the user. standard background check for all buyers, yes i agree to trying to prevent those who should not have a weapon have a harder time getting one. but no matter what the try to implement criminals will always find a way. Instead of trying to impose newer laws they need to try and enforce the current ones and work more to stop the criminals not us law abiding americans.
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I honestly didn't realize that you could still buy weapons at gun shows in some states without any form of background check.
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You have been arguing your position all along in this thread.

Now you have proven that you either don't know what you are talking about or just following what you hear from the left.

The left loves to call it the "GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE" because it sounds scary.


It really has nothing to do with gunshows.

It is the ability for one private individual to sell or transfer a gun to another private individual without the government running a background check. If that happens at a gunshow then so be it.

No Firearms dealer can sell you a gun in his store, the internet or a GUN SHOW without the background check.


It's just another one of those things that the left distorts every chance it gets.

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Hey, maybe this time will be different and restricting magazine capacity and banning rifles with pistol grips, will lower violent crime and prevent mass shootings. You know the old saying:
"if it failed miserably the last 100 times you tried it,....try it again."




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Just look at the bright side:
This will create a lot of new jobs.


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You have been arguing your position all along in this thread.

Now you have proven that you either don't know what you are talking about or just following what you hear from the left.

The left loves to call it the "GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE" because it sounds scary.


It really has nothing to do with gunshows.

It is the ability for one private individual to sell or transfer a gun to another private individual without the government running a background check. If that happens at a gunshow then so be it.

No Firearms dealer can sell you a gun in his store, the internet or a GUN SHOW without the background check.


It's just another one of those things that the left distorts every chance it gets.
That's what I have always known as well, the following article made me think otherwise and I figured if Fox was reporting this, it must be right. (Only because of their interests against gun control)

Undercover Stings Expose 'Gun Show Loophole' | Fox News

So are you agreeing that this news article is false or has the law changed since this article was posted? I seriously am not making another dig @ Fox, I just figured that they would of given me the real deal about gun show loopholes. So this article has me confused. Maybe the law was different in 2009.


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That's what I have always known as well, the following article made me think otherwise and I figured if Fox was reporting this, it must be right. (Only because of their interests against gun control)

Undercover Stings Expose 'Gun Show Loophole' | Fox News

So are you agreeing that this news article is false or has the law changed since this article was posted? I seriously am not making another dig @ Fox, I just figured that they would of given me the real deal about gun show loopholes. So this article has me confused. Maybe the law was different in 2009.
It sure looked like a dig at Fox. I think slim explained it already. They use "the gun show loophole" as a red herring, when in fact they are talking about the private sale of guns between private individuals.


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I'm not saying that for people to be able to go to a public event and buy firearms without a background check, is not a potential problem and I can see room for tightening up a bit on the process, but this is what I got out of that report,

"In each purchase, the investigator showed interest in buying a gun, agreed on a price and then indicated that he probably could not pass a background check.

Most sellers allowed the purchases anyway, responding in some cases by saying, "I couldn't pass one either," or "I don't care," according to the city's report.

The city has no legal authority over the dealers and is using its findings to make a point. A copy of the report is being sent to every member of Congress and the findings will be shared the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The undercover operation took place from about May to August and its $1.5 million cost was paid by city taxpayers. The city hired a team of 40 private investigators from an outside firm to make the purchases."

It sounds like a lot of the problem was with private sellers and not licensed dealers. If so, they wouldn't have been so vague and just refered to them as "sellers". So, that goes back to what slim said.
It sounds like they spent $1.5 mil to "make a point" and in order to justify that type of expense, you have to make it sound good.
Again, when you have an anti-gun agenda and it has absolutely nothing to do with preventing crime, you have to script your story very precisely.
Picking your wording is like a director, picking the right camera angles, to jerk the right emotion from the viewer.


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