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I don't know that you can go out of state to buy guns. I tried to buy one when I was in WY 5 or 6 years ago and couldn't because I was a MT resident. It might depend on the state though.

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In the majority of cases, large retailers such as Sports Authority (I sold guns there), Walmart, etc won't sell firearms to the person if the person isn't from a bordering state. Not sure about WY's specific laws, but federally there's nothing against buying a firearm in a neighboring state. Mainly because if they do a background check, any felony will show up in any state you're doing the search from.

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This article is almost 5 years old. It talks about different mass shootings. The person with the full auto high capacity weapons didn't kill as many people as the guy with a 22 and 9 mm handgun.

It also shows that a legally armed person on the scene stopped the attacks. Not police.

Anyway, The left will dismiss the article but to me, it kind of proves the point.

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In the majority of cases, large retailers such as Sports Authority (I sold guns there), Walmart, etc won't sell firearms to the person if the person isn't from a bordering state. Not sure about WY's specific laws, but federally there's nothing against buying a firearm in a neighboring state. Mainly because if they do a background check, any felony will show up in any state you're doing the search from.
I wasn't thinking of felony's specifically, which I would hope would be a show stopper in any state. I was referring to the laws mentioned for Chicago.

Many years ago, when I was visiting a Florida gun shop, the owner of the gun store offered to sell me a gun. He knew I wasn't a resident, so he said he would buy whichever gun I wanted in his name, then just sell it to me privately.

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I wasn't thinking of felony's specifically, which I would hope would be a show stopper in any state. I was referring to the laws mentioned for Chicago.

Many years ago, when I was visiting a Florida gun shop, the owner of the gun store offered to sell me a gun. He knew I wasn't a resident, so he said he would buy whichever gun I wanted in his name, then just sell it to me privately.
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In the majority of cases, large retailers such as Sports Authority (I sold guns there), Walmart, etc won't sell firearms to the person if the person isn't from a bordering state. Not sure about WY's specific laws, but federally there's nothing against buying a firearm in a neighboring state. Mainly because if they do a background check, any felony will show up in any state you're doing the search from.
I think that's a federal law. You can only sell to someone in your own or a neighboring state unless they are an FFL dealer.


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I am almost positive that in Oklahoma you have to be a resident to buy a firearm.

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If you are not a resident in the state where the gun is being purchased you only have (2) options of completing the sale.

(1) You have a Federal Firearms License

(2) You have the gun delivered to a licensed dealer in your state of residence, then that dealer transfers the gun ownership to you (usually with a fee of between $25-$50)
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^^^ It is not a clip, it is a magazine. Magazine is the proper term.
Shouldn't an educated person know that?
Out of all of what I said all you have to argue is me using the word "clip." I may as well be arguing with my teenage daughter. The term "drop the clip" is just slang and had I of known I would of gotten into a semantics argument I would not have used it. Some of you are the type of people that only look for what you don't agree with in a statement and block everything else out.

To Dim sum, I agree with you 100%. A formal education doesn't necessarily mean anything. Nothing can educate a human being more than real life experiences and OTJ training. I consider myself educated, but I don't hold a formal degree. I'm 30 credits away from a bachelors, but that will just be more of resume filler and more importantly I will be $80,000 in debt when all is said and done.

To BigRed, thank you for the explanation. I think we all agree on a lot more things then we think we do. We just, for whatever reason, label each other as liberals, republicans, socialist, etc. , but if you think about it, America is all of those things and always has been. Not every "liberal" is the same just like not every "tea party" member is.


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Out of all of what I said all you have to argue is me using the word "clip." I may as well be arguing with my teenage daughter. The term "drop the clip" is just slang and had I of known I would of gotten into a semantics argument I would not have used it. Some of you are the type of people that only look for what you don't agree with in a statement and block everything else out.

To Dim sum, I agree with you 100%. A formal education doesn't necessarily mean anything. Nothing can educate a human being more than real life experiences and OTJ training. I consider myself educated, but I don't hold a formal degree. I'm 30 credits away from a bachelors, but that will just be more of resume filler and more importantly I will be $80,000 in debt when all is said and done.

To BigRed, thank you for the explanation. I think we all agree on a lot more things then we think we do. We just, for whatever reason, label each other as liberals, republicans, socialist, etc. , but if you think about it, America is all of those things and always has been. Not every "liberal" is the same just like not every "tea party" member is.
In all honesty, I didn't think bad of you because of your opinion but after all the discussion , you brought up the fact that educated people like yourself voted Obama. I don't want to get into that.

It boils down to the left claiming to be the educated, enlightened ones and if you look at the advisors and cabinet of obama, they are about 90 percent from academia. They have no real world experience. They think an education means they know more than an uneducated person. Therefore they know best.

Banning guns or limiting magazine capacities is not the answer to this. The left flipped the **** out when the head of the NRA said armed guards in schools or armed teachers was a good start. They refuse to face facts.
Of course all of these elite liberals from hollywood and all of these talking heads on the networks and politicians have armed guards protecting them and their children. Several politicians have concealed carry permits but they are against them for the average citizen.

Gun violence is bad but people have been killing people with whatever was available since the beginning of time. The 2nd amendment was written as a protection for the citizens to prevent tyranny from the government.

There isn't really anything to discuss. The left says to Ban guns. They believe that is the only answer. How do you have a discussion when that is the solution they feel there is?

Read the article I posted a earlier. Gun free zones are the first place people bent on murder/suicide go. They never go to a National Guard Armory or a Police Headquarters or a shooting range to do these terrible things. You can't fix crazy.

My dad quit HS in the 10th grade to go fight the japanese. He left rural Oklahoma whtere they were still plowing with horses and went to the pacific and saw and did horrible things as a 17 year old that you will never understand. He was uneducated. I thought he was stupid until I was grown and realized he was a very smart man. He saw how government did when they got more and more power.

A gun never jumped up off a table, loaded itself and went down to the corner and started shooting people. A human did it. Timothy McVay did it with a uhaul truck,fertilizer and diesel. The 9/11 terrorist did it with airplanes.

Why don't we limit air travel to Cessna turbo props? They can't damage a building the way a 747 can. Let's limit Uhauls to 8 foot trailers. You can't build as big a bomb as the one that was detonated in OKC.

The left wants all guns taken away period. They claim it will fix all the problems. It will only make criminals out of law abiding citizens.

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If you are not a resident in the state where the gun is being purchased you only have (2) options of completing the sale.

(1) You have a Federal Firearms License

(2) You have the gun delivered to a licensed dealer in your state of residence, then that dealer transfers the gun ownership to you (usually with a fee of between $25-$50)
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And the story changes again. 4 handguns, no rifle found in the school...
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They got the ball rolling on assault weapons, now they can use this to go after handguns.

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On this particular issue, I think it is very telling that when law enforcement showed up the guy in Aurora immediately dropped his gun and surrendered and the guy in this shooting blew himself away.

Me and the wife got into a debate over it the other night. I firmly believe that it is a control issue. These are people who feel they don't have any over most of their lives. They create scenarios where they can feel powerful by taking alot of guns to places where other people aren't likely to have any and then blasting away. This is how they take control over their environment and everything in it and overcompensate for all that happened in their lives up until that point.

Maybe there is a multi-faceted approach to the issue that would involve a number of different changes to the laws and regulations that control how we buy guns and which ones we are allowed to possess. But it starts with the fact that for the people who do this it is a control issue and the sense of control and empowerment comes from the fact that they are the only ones with guns. You have to deal with that before you do anything at all, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. LAw enforcement officers in schools would be a good start. Around Philly I see cars with School Police driving around the city on a regular basis. I am not sure what their exact responsibilities are but I am sure this means there must be some sort of way we could make it work, at least here.

But I fear what will happen is we will approach stuff like this in a similar fashion to some of the things we did to respond to 911. We will make a great show of putting guards or LEOs in schools for awhile but when nothing happens the resources will dwindle away and eventually be diverted and things will get lax again until the next incident.

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Out of all of what I said all you have to argue is me using the word "clip." I may as well be arguing with my teenage daughter. The term "drop the clip" is just slang and had I of known I would of gotten into a semantics argument I would not have used it. Some of you are the type of people that only look for what you don't agree with in a statement and block everything else out.

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To BigRed, thank you for the explanation. I think we all agree on a lot more things then we think we do. We just, for whatever reason, label each other as liberals, republicans, socialist, etc. , but if you think about it, America is all of those things and always has been. Not every "liberal" is the same just like not every "tea party" member is.
After I posted that, some one pointed out to me that you did use the word magazine just before you used the term "drop the clip". I went back and reread your post.
Not everyone that has a college education is smarter than some one that does not. I have known and know several college age people and some that have graduated college, they are not that smart.
I never went to college, but I make just as much or more than quite a few people that went to college. I have for years when I was not unemployed.
I will say that some times a degree may give some one an edge over the other person that does not have a degree in some circumstances.

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Bull.
While working and living in Colorado I have sold firearms (completely legally) to residents of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, Arizona, and Utah.
I stand corrected, in your case long guns are allowed in certain state to state conditions.
See the attached "Federal / State Firearms Regulations" http://http://www.hinterlandoutfitte.../atf-rules.PDF
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