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Michigan Union demonstration embarass's me

Thats sure is F'd up whats going on in Mich. Makes me ashamed to be a member of the USW. My union is weak compared to the main USW and UAW. Unions have drained most states dry and now Obama jumps on the band wagon again Guess the FC isn't that important!


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Obama characterizes "Right to Work" as "Right to work for less money"? Really? Well, yeah, perhaps. When the options are:

(1) right to work for wages that cannot be supported by the marketplace
(2) right to work for wages that are less than (1) and can be supported by the marketplace

well, then, yeah, it is the right to work for less money. It is also the right to work for a company that won't require a government bailout when its unsustainable payroll finally catches up with it.

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Hostess! Enough said!






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Aren't most of the rest of the states in the U.S. "right to work" states?

What's the problem? I've always worked in "right to work" states, never been in a union, and have never had a problem keeping employment and feeding my family...wtf are unions for again? To ensure that someone gets paid $50/hr to turn a knob, take a 15 minute break every hour, and get drunk and high on their lunch breaks, while the rest of us make half that, must remain competitive, and actually have to use our brains at work? I'm confused....

My favorite part...teachers calling in sick, en masse, so they can participate in a demonstration...that's real grown-up like you douchebags...punish the kids so you can act like a child and bitch and moan about.....NOTHING.
I believe that there are 24 Right to Work states.

None of the New England states are Right to Work states.

I think I heard that the average GM employee makes about $75/hr. Wow.

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It all sounds so horrible unless you are a member of the union.

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It all sounds so horrible unless you are a member of the union.
Yes, it is GREAT to be *in* the union, right up until your union's demands drive your company out of business. If you happen to work somewhere that is "too big to fail", then maybe you are still OK. Otherwise, you're S.O.L.

If I could force my boss to triple my pay, I'd be sitting pretty, right up until they closed their doors.

They pay me competitively. If they didn't, I'd move on, and they know that. Everything is kept naturally in balance.

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i have been a union member for 12yrs. unfortunately, i follow the sheep and pay my dues but i never cared for it. the shitbags on the job are always protected and the good people suffer. it is a very corrupt system in my line of work but they put on one hell of show to convince you otherwise.

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How does it work if you don't pay dues? I assume that you wouldn't be "in the union", and I assume your co-workers would hate you? Would you be able to work with some ethic and initiative, and make more pay than the union folks? Management aren't in unions, right? Do management give preference to non-union folks, and are they easier to please with your hard work? Just curious.

Some of the companies that I work with are unions...and when I work with those people, they are absolutely sorry. They will clock out in the middle of a clusterf*ck, because it is their break time, or quittin time, whereas we will stay until the job is finished.
That's the point of Right to Work. It might be more apt to instead use the phrase "Right to Work but not Have to Belong to the Union". In states like MA, if it is a union shop, you either join the union, or you find another job.

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I worked a couple of years in a union print shop, IT SUCKED! we milked jobs just because we knew if we got done before our shift was over they'd send us all home with no pay.

When the break bell sounded you had best jump, if not you have a supervisor up your ass screaming at you.

when there was no work for our press we got sent home, even though other parts of the plant needed help and was behind it was against union policy to work in ANY other part of the plant.

I once made the mistake of picking up a broom to clean up a mess I made. Again I only made that mistake once because a HUGE black man named Tiny told me that if I touch another broom he was going to break all my fingers and that it was HIS job to sweep that mess up.

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Hostess! Enough said!
I'm not a huge fan of unions, but if anyone actually looked at the last 10 year's of hostess, they would see the concessions the union made, along with the money pulled out of the company by the investment firms that owned it. Even its most recent ceo said that its failure was caused by bad management not the unions.

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Right-to-work laws do not provide a general guarantee of employment to people seeking work. The laws are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers. That's one of the reasons Toyota has stated they don't want to hire UAW members. Toyota pays better and has better benefits than the Union requires for new employees. If you work at the Toyota plant and your kid is sick, you don't have to take off work and try to get a doctor's appointment. You just take your kid to work and they have medical staff at the plant who will see your kid the same day. The UAW has tried to recruit Toyota workers. Toyota employees refuse to join the UAW.


A friend is an electrician and non-Union. Around DFW, the Electrician's Union is very small. But in Houston, it's huge. If the Union finds out there are non-Union guys working in town, they will literally run them out of town. Some state-wide companies hire electricians from out of town (contracts to work all over the state). When working in Houston, they have to take unmarked vehicles and work at night with windows covered so that nobody reports them and a bunch of Union thugs show up.

He's also been hired by a company up in Boston several times. The Union there requires 2 local Union guys for every out of state non-union guy on the job. The Union guys there milk the job like crazy. My friend got in trouble for working too hard and for not taking 15 minute breaks every hour. They were required to take breaks in a small portable building and everyone smoked in there. He'd rather keep on working and get the job done. He said they were putting up large conduit in the ceiling of a 20 foot building. It all had to go up as one piece. They took 45 minutes to get it up. They were 2 minutes away from getting it secured when the break horn sounded. So they brought all of it back down because they weren't allowed to leave it up unsecured and they weren't allowed to work during the break. There were also licensed Journeymen who didn't know what simple electrical parts were. The company owner wishes he could hire all out of state non-union electricians and pay them the same wages that the Union guys make. One out of state guy works harder than 3 Union electricians in his company.


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Sad...Just sad.

I guess we can expect the 'Occupy' losers to be bussed into Lansing next. Booze and drugs to be supplied by the UAW, of course (unless they used it all up on their lunch breaks).

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I'm not a huge fan of unions, but if anyone actually looked at the last 10 year's of hostess, they would see the concessions the union made, along with the money pulled out of the company by the investment firms that owned it. Even its most recent ceo said that its failure was caused by bad management not the unions.

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I'd say you're somewhat correct that mismanagement played its part, but there are many examples with Hostess that illustrate the asinine work rules that unions saddle their companies with. Drivers were not allowed to load their own trucks, and work requirements dictated that one union shop loaded cakes and another loaded "breads". All in the same truck. Upon delivery, many locations required a separate employee to move product from truck to shelf. Utterly foolish regardless of one's view of unions.


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I'm not a huge fan of unions, but if anyone actually looked at the last 10 year's of hostess, they would see the concessions the union made, along with the money pulled out of the company by the investment firms that owned it. Even its most recent ceo said that its failure was caused by bad management not the unions.

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Conecessions like

a loaf of bread that is going to a store can't be on the same truck as a package of twinkies that are going to the same store? A separate truck has to be sent?

The driver of the truck has to have a swamper to stock the shelf. He sits on his butt while the other guy stocks the shelf?

Those kind of concessions?

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