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Old 12-11-2012, 01:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Michigan Union demonstration embarass's me

Thats sure is F'd up whats going on in Mich. Makes me ashamed to be a member of the USW. My union is weak compared to the main USW and UAW. Unions have drained most states dry and now Obama jumps on the band wagon again Guess the FC isn't that important!
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Obama characterizes "Right to Work" as "Right to work for less money"? Really? Well, yeah, perhaps. When the options are:

(1) right to work for wages that cannot be supported by the marketplace
(2) right to work for wages that are less than (1) and can be supported by the marketplace

well, then, yeah, it is the right to work for less money. It is also the right to work for a company that won't require a government bailout when its unsustainable payroll finally catches up with it.
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Aren't most of the rest of the states in the U.S. "right to work" states?

What's the problem? I've always worked in "right to work" states, never been in a union, and have never had a problem keeping employment and feeding my family...wtf are unions for again? To ensure that someone gets paid $50/hr to turn a knob, take a 15 minute break every hour, and get drunk and high on their lunch breaks, while the rest of us make half that, must remain competitive, and actually have to use our brains at work? I'm confused....

My favorite part...teachers calling in sick, en masse, so they can participate in a demonstration...that's real grown-up like you douchebags...punish the kids so you can act like a child and bitch and moan about.....NOTHING.
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Aren't most of the rest of the states in the U.S. "right to work" states?

What's the problem? I've always worked in "right to work" states, never been in a union, and have never had a problem keeping employment and feeding my family...wtf are unions for again? To ensure that someone gets paid $50/hr to turn a knob, take a 15 minute break every hour, and get drunk and high on their lunch breaks, while the rest of us make half that, must remain competitive, and actually have to use our brains at work? I'm confused....

My favorite part...teachers calling in sick, en masse, so they can participate in a demonstration...that's real grown-up like you douchebags...punish the kids so you can act like a child and bitch and moan about.....NOTHING.
I believe that there are 24 Right to Work states.

None of the New England states are Right to Work states.

I think I heard that the average GM employee makes about $75/hr. Wow.
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Oh ok, I am mistaken. I guess spending most of my life in the southeast, I always just thought "right to work" was the norm, the standard (i.e., if you screw up, your ass gets fired. If you don't want to work there anymore, you have a right to walk out the damn door)....No surprise that all NE states are unionized

$75/hour? FML. I'm moving. Many doctors don't even make that kind of money. Many 2 wage earner families don't make that kind of money.
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It all sounds so horrible unless you are a member of the union.
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It all sounds so horrible unless you are a member of the union.
And can just decide not to go to work if you don't want, and there be no repercussions I have a little more dignity than that...not much, but a little more

Everywhere else in the country, a "no call, no show" = you're f...f...f...f...f..FIRED!
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It all sounds so horrible unless you are a member of the union.
Yes, it is GREAT to be *in* the union, right up until your union's demands drive your company out of business. If you happen to work somewhere that is "too big to fail", then maybe you are still OK. Otherwise, you're S.O.L.

If I could force my boss to triple my pay, I'd be sitting pretty, right up until they closed their doors.

They pay me competitively. If they didn't, I'd move on, and they know that. Everything is kept naturally in balance.
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i have been a union member for 12yrs. unfortunately, i follow the sheep and pay my dues but i never cared for it. the shitbags on the job are always protected and the good people suffer. it is a very corrupt system in my line of work but they put on one hell of show to convince you otherwise.
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I think I heard that the average GM employee makes about $75/hr. Wow.
What % of that $75/hr would a union typically get?
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i have been a union member for 12yrs. unfortunately, i follow the sheep and pay my dues but i never cared for it. the shitbags on the job are always protected and the good people suffer. it is a very corrupt system in my line of work but they put on one hell of show to convince you otherwise.
How does it work if you don't pay dues? I assume that you wouldn't be "in the union", and I assume your co-workers would hate you? Would you be able to work with some ethic and initiative, and make more pay than the union folks? Management aren't in unions, right? Do management give preference to non-union folks, and are they easier to please with your hard work? Just curious.

Some of the companies that I work with are unions...and when I work with those people, they are absolutely sorry. They will clock out in the middle of a clusterf*ck, because it is their break time, or quittin time, whereas we will stay until the job is finished.
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How does it work if you don't pay dues? I assume that you wouldn't be "in the union", and I assume your co-workers would hate you? Would you be able to work with some ethic and initiative, and make more pay than the union folks? Management aren't in unions, right? Do management give preference to non-union folks, and are they easier to please with your hard work? Just curious.

Some of the companies that I work with are unions...and when I work with those people, they are absolutely sorry. They will clock out in the middle of a clusterf*ck, because it is their break time, or quittin time, whereas we will stay until the job is finished.
That's the point of Right to Work. It might be more apt to instead use the phrase "Right to Work but not Have to Belong to the Union". In states like MA, if it is a union shop, you either join the union, or you find another job.
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I worked a couple of years in a union print shop, IT SUCKED! we milked jobs just because we knew if we got done before our shift was over they'd send us all home with no pay.

When the break bell sounded you had best jump, if not you have a supervisor up your ass screaming at you.

when there was no work for our press we got sent home, even though other parts of the plant needed help and was behind it was against union policy to work in ANY other part of the plant.

I once made the mistake of picking up a broom to clean up a mess I made. Again I only made that mistake once because a HUGE black man named Tiny told me that if I touch another broom he was going to break all my fingers and that it was HIS job to sweep that mess up.

It was like working for Al Capone!
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