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How does it work if you don't pay dues? I assume that you wouldn't be "in the union", and I assume your co-workers would hate you? Would you be able to work with some ethic and initiative, and make more pay than the union folks? Management aren't in unions, right? Do management give preference to non-union folks, and are they easier to please with your hard work? Just curious.

Some of the companies that I work with are unions...and when I work with those people, they are absolutely sorry. They will clock out in the middle of a clusterf*ck, because it is their break time, or quittin time, whereas we will stay until the job is finished.
exactly! not one individual (laborer) that i am aware of is non-union with the exception of upper management like you said. my guess is that you would be outcasted by the union leadership and followers would agree. upper management is a tight network and although they would most likely favor your decision, they would leave you in the dark. so it is a double edge sword.
don't get me wrong, i love my job with a passion but i am disgusted with b.s. politics, favoritism, and constant protection for people that could care less if they give a little or a lot. i think the "union" system should be revamped and restart itself what it was originally intended to be.

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Conecessions like

a loaf of bread that is going to a store can't be on the same truck as a package of twinkies that are going to the same store? A separate truck has to be sent?

The driver of the truck has to have a swamper to stock the shelf. He sits on his butt while the other guy stocks the shelf?

Those kind of concessions?
The kind that reduced their labor cost by $110 million a year.

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I have never been a union member and am currently in a non-union shop. The union in the job I used to work in was a govt. eployee union that technically had to represent everybody although it was illegal to force everyone to pay dues. They tended to grieve dumb shit that really shouldn't matter just to make a point, and entertained alot of stupid grievances from people who enjoy stirring the pot for no good reason.

We once had a copier delivered by a trucking company and had to pull it off the truck on a cart ourselves and take it up on the freight elevator. The Teamster behind the wheel of the truck said it is his job to drive, not to lift stuff. I looked at him as we were wheeling the thing off the truck and onto the freight elevator and said my job is not to lift heavy stuff either, but Oh well, here I am...

I can see both sides of the issue. On one side, people should have a right to decide whether they want to be a member or not. The other side of the argument is usually that the whole workforce benefits from contracts, pay, and work conditions negotiated by the Union. If some people opt out of paying dues they will basically be reaping alot of the benefits of Union negotiations for free. I am honestly not sure how you handle that. Union employees go by a Union contract and non-union employees negotiate for different terms? I would imagine that could turn into a real mess.

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I'm not a huge fan of unions, but if anyone actually looked at the last 10 year's of hostess, they would see the concessions the union made, along with the money pulled out of the company by the investment firms that owned it. Even its most recent ceo said that its failure was caused by bad management not the unions.

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Others in this thread have you, So there's really no need for me to bust your balls on your inaccurate information!
So your one of those guys that think it can all be pointed to one thing, rather than a combination of multiple issues from labor, mangement, ownership and the fact that most people buy generic products that taste the same.
But if you like to think that everything is so simple and running around saying people got "owned" like a 13 year old boy on his Xbox, go for it. It shows intelligence.

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Sad...Just sad.

I guess we can expect the 'Occupy' losers to be bussed into Lansing next. Booze and drugs to be supplied by the UAW, of course (unless they used it all up on their lunch breaks).
Speaking of that... how do "employees" like that get jobs back? Oh, my I can't wait to buy my next non-union Merican made vehicle. Gonna send a picture of it to the UAW with me kneeling next to it with a double one finger salute.

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So your one of those guys that think it can all be pointed to one thing, rather than a combination of multiple issues from labor, mangement, ownership and the fact that most people buy generic products that taste the same.
But if you like to think that everything is so simple and running around saying people got "owned" like a 13 year old boy on his Xbox, go for it. It shows intelligence.

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LOL! Management screwed the pooch by signing contracts that they knew weren't manageable in the long term. And I won't even go into how upper managements salary was a dollar.....how did the liberal rags report that, Something like "They had the gall to ask for a bonus" NO, it was their paycheck that was based on performance.

However your belittling me distraction tactic was cute






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LOL! Management screwed the pooch by signing contracts that they knew weren't manageable in the long term. And I won't even go into how upper managements salary was a dollar.....how did the liberal rags report that, Something like "They had the gall to ask for a bonus" NO, it was their paycheck that was based on performance.

However your belittling me distraction tactic was cute
Yes, I was the one that started the belittling. Paycheck based on performance? The company is getting liquidated, and that is bonus worthy performance?

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I know unions used to have their place, such as securing workers rights, but over the years they turned into self-serving, corupt organizations. I used to be a Teamster and couldn't wait to get out. Lazy-ass workers got paid the same as everyone else. Couldn't get rid of the SOBs. I was forced to pay dues, which helped fund the very politicians I can't stand. When negotiations don't go their way, union thugs will physically intimidate management like schoolyard bullies. To hell with them all!


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Yes, I was the one that started the belittling. Paycheck based on performance? The company is getting liquidated, and that is bonus worthy performance?

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You're just not going to except the fact that the reason 18k people are unemployed is of their own stupidity. When your told, "report to work by 5 pm Thursday or have no job" you think about that and your family, instead they let the union boss roll the dice and he lost. But don't fret, he drove home in his big new shiny car, ate a big meal and slept like a baby knowing he'll still get his 6 figure income!

Now ALL of us that work for a living have to support them!

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No, I'm not going to accept the fact that there is only one cause. Plenty of blame to go around.

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