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Proudly churning out graduates with worthless skill-sets since 1995

Major facepalm... Still waiting for someone in this country to start a real dialogue about the relationship between the job market and the college debt issue. Until then I guess I have to keep hearing people pay 100K for worthless degrees and then belly-ache because they cannot find lucriaive enough work to dig themselves out.

I am about to pay close to 10 grand for a new furnace and air conditioner for my new house. My HVAC guy did not mention that digging out from 100K in college debt has been a big problem for him.

9 Students Reveal Their Unbelievable Loan Horror Stories - Business Insider

I told them I wanted to get a degree in Game Art and Design but was told I could but needed to take the Graphic Design course first. I didn't think much of it at first, but I agreed. I was dismayed at the quality of the classes...(Now) I'm stuck with over $100,000 dollars in debt, which qualifies as theft as I received nothing substantive in return.

I actually had to sign up for other courses outside the school in order to successfully complete assignments! Courses that offered REAL *VIDEO* Instruction at a fraction of the cost ($35 dollars per month as opposed to $2000+ dollars!) and by a company that trains people in the industry.
It's now 8 months since loans have run out and I couldn't complete my degree and I'm still looking for work."


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It's truly sad that people think they are entitled to jobs without experience because they have a degree. When did society forget that you have to pay you dues first?

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It's truly sad that people think they are entitled to jobs without experience because they have a degree. When did society forget that you have to pay you dues first?
The bigger problem for me is the idea that people feel a sense of entitlement to 6 figure careers in a field that is directly related to whatever whimsical bullshit major they took up in their liberal arts school. And when they cannot find it rather than face reality and adapt to the market place by getting into something that pays they go jobless or settle for retail work. Then they complain because they cannot pay their debts off or afford to move out of their parents' house.

The education industry is a big problem here. It is more lucrative for them to expand to offer more areas of study to match all the interests that are out there regardless of what the job market looks like. In doing so they're producing generations of students without practical or marketable skills who are 100K in debt.

What is worse is that nobody really wants to talk about it. All the articles are always filled with sob stories about people with degrees in stuff like event planning and basket weaving and how they are crippled financially by their school loans. I have never once seen the mainstream media talk about the real problem, only the symptom.

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Coming from somebody with certifications that ought to hold value but don't... I'll tell you that the education industry is bullshit in general.

FWIW I spent a year and a half in school to get factory certified as a motorcycle/watercraft/side by side/generator/quad/snowmobile mechanic for 2 different manufacturers. That holds basically no weight when I go into a dealer or anything because they churn out some real dumbasses that I wouldn't let touch my bike with a 30 foot pole. They also don't teach the more practical shit there either. Sure I can tear down a motor, measure it, and rebuild it pretty easily, but breaking and putting a new chain on a bike? Had to learn it on the fly.

I've also heard it put this way. "A degree does not guarantee you a job, it merely gives you a ticket to compete."

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The real problem: people need to stop going after BS degrees thinking that they might be worth something. Stick to the basics if you want an education! Teaching, engineering, management, etc. Instead of working for 15 years, you can learn all of that in a few years of school, but you arent going to do it going after a liberal arts degree.

The degree to many companies just means that the person can commit to something, can learn, and can do it quickly.... as long as the grades are good and the program is finished, that shows companies some young gun might actually be able to commit to something.

People need to also pick a program that is smart for them. I would NEVER go to school if it took 100k in loans. Its not the schools fault.... they are a business. They need to make money. The retards applying to programs they cant afford are the ones that need a gut check.

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A couple of days ago I read that college tuition is up 585 percent since 1985.
We have an academic in the white house and he has surrounded himself with academics that have no real world experience.

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A few years back there was a series of commercials on TV touting how "generation next" was coming up and was going to take over, so watch out. What an absolute joke. Young people today are a disgrace and embarrassment to their age group. All brainless morons saturated with crystal methane, conditioned to a lifestyle of laziness and entitlement. Job security for the rest of us, so no worries.

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Except that we have to pay for their worthless asses to stay at home, have health care with their parents' plan until they are 26 (exactly when are we adults?), and become "activists" on any given worthless subject since they have all of the time in the world to blog on the internet.

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Obama bragged about the keeping the kids on their parents insurance thing.

Only an academic could think that was a good thing.

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Major facepalm... Still waiting for someone in this country to start a real dialogue about the relationship between the job market and the college debt issue. Until then I guess I have to keep hearing people pay 100K for worthless degrees and then belly-ache because they cannot find lucriaive enough work to dig themselves out.

I am about to pay close to 10 grand for a new furnace and air conditioner for my new house. My HVAC guy did not mention that digging out from 100K in college debt has been a big problem for him.

9 Students Reveal Their Unbelievable Loan Horror Stories - Business Insider

I told them I wanted to get a degree in Game Art and Design but was told I could but needed to take the Graphic Design course first. I didn't think much of it at first, but I agreed. I was dismayed at the quality of the classes...(Now) I'm stuck with over $100,000 dollars in debt, which qualifies as theft as I received nothing substantive in return.

I actually had to sign up for other courses outside the school in order to successfully complete assignments! Courses that offered REAL *VIDEO* Instruction at a fraction of the cost ($35 dollars per month as opposed to $2000+ dollars!) and by a company that trains people in the industry.
It's now 8 months since loans have run out and I couldn't complete my degree and I'm still looking for work."


Read more: 9 Students Reveal Their Unbelievable Loan Horror Stories - Business Insider
The smarter way to approach a degree in game design and get a job is to find a school that offers co-op jobs in that area.

As an example, I graduated during the recession of the early 90s and got a job as a CAD operator after being a legal clerk for two years after I graduated.

I left the job with the clear cut goal of getting a graduate level co-op engineering job at a good school that I could afford. At that time, it was Georgia Tech which led me to a co-op job and full time offer from AMD.

After my sister became terminally ill after only a year and 1/2 on the job, I decided to explore other career opportunities after leaving my job to come back to MA. I was interested in doing computer special effects for movies, so I found that the industry was using Maya and doing grad level co-op in the movie industry at USC. After talking with the Dean, I later found that most workers at the time were treated like a cog in a wheel since the industry had grown so large that the only interesting job was being a production designer to have any creative control, so I opted out and got another engineering job locally.

Still a cog, just a different industry now where I get paid for overtime.

My luck is so bad that even my guardian angel commited suicide!...How's that even possible?

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schools were set up by govt that was influenced by whom... the wealthy. wealthy folks wanted to continue controlling larger and larger amounts of money and in order to do this they must keep more people poor. poverty for the masses is easily achieved by having people trained in some manner to keep the majority of the money circulating where it is. same song and dance that's been around for ages.

it used to be where people could become trained, fill a slot, and work a job so they get by and the profits go to whoever is getting rich. now it's gotten to the point where the rich just want to no longer be surrounded by the poor because they don't need the poor anymore to remain rich. in the current age of technology, money can now be made without the need for human beings having to be trained in traditional ways to perform traditional jobs. think about that for a moment...

when people are needed (by other people) to make money then most people have money to at least get by on... point being is that, under a monetary system less influenced by technology, people with less have more value to people with more.

when people are not needed (by other people) to make money then most people do not have money to at least get by on... point being is that, under a monetary system more influenced by technology, people with less have less value to people with more.

the previous two sentences are proof alone that monetary systems are responsible for inequality on this planet... think hunger games.

now, go to a jungle where peoples live without the concept of money and technology and ask them if they are poor. they don't even have a concept of poor. they might be amazed at the simple technology they become exposed to, ie... a cigarette lighter, but they are soon taught that they can only acquire such technology if they can trade for it... which eventually will involve money. then they're in the game!

when greed and control are catalyzed with technology to become the focal point of a society, this becomes a focal point which easily supersedes humans caring for other humans. humans with less eventually go by the way side as "the few" care more about money than they care about "the majority." again, think hunger games

which makes one wonder... who/what is influencing humans to do this crazy sh!t to one another???
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schools were set up by govt that was influenced by whom... the wealthy. wealthy folks wanted to continue controlling larger and larger amounts of money and in order to do this they must keep more people poor. poverty for the masses is easily achieved by having people trained in some manner to keep the majority of the money circulating where it is. same song and dance that's been around for ages.

it used to be where people could become trained, fill a slot, and work a job so they get by and the profits go to whoever is getting rich. now it's gotten to the point where the rich just want to no longer be surrounded by the poor because they don't need the poor anymore to remain rich. in the current age of technology, money can now be made without the need for human beings having to be trained in traditional ways to perform traditional jobs. think about that for a moment...

when people are needed (by other people) to make money then most people have money to at least get by on... point being is that, under a monetary system less influenced by technology, people with less have more value to people with more.

when people are not needed (by other people) to make money then most people do not have money to at least get by on... point being is that, under a monetary system more influenced by technology, people with less have less value to people with more.

the previous two sentences are proof alone that monetary systems are responsible for inequality on this planet... think hunger games.

now, go to a jungle where peoples live without the concept of money and technology and ask them if they are poor. they don't even have a concept of poor. they might be amazed at the simple technology they become exposed to, ie... a cigarette lighter, but they are soon taught that they can only acquire such technology if they can trade for it... which eventually will involve money. then they're in the game!

when greed and control are catalyzed with technology to become the focal point of a society, this becomes a focal point which easily supersedes humans caring for other humans. humans with less eventually go by the way side as "the few" care more about money than they care about "the majority." again, think hunger games

which makes one wonder... who/what is influencing humans to do this crazy sh!t to one another???
I will tell you that I understand some of what you are saying but don't really agree with it in this context. I see this as a personal responsibility issue. Everybody here knows I am not a Republican and I definitely have some 'not-so-conservative' views when it comes to alot of things. And I will say that I agree there are some social injustices going on. But what I am speaking to here goes back to things that have been discussed on this forum more than once in the past. Specifically, society is being hurt by the fact that we are being encouraged to turn our noses up at blue collar work and the trades and ignore certain types of occupations because the perception has been created in modern society that it is beneath us. People are being encouraged to think that there is a lucrative career out there to correspond to whatever random, obscure niche discipline they can conceive of, so it is worth spending 6 figures on the necessary degree. Then when they find out there is none, they waste alot of years waiting for a miracle to happen rather than go learn a skill so they can put food on the table and clothes on their backs while they wait for the job market to change.

I think a fundamental part of the problems we are facing today is we have become unwilling to adapt to changing job markets. This is because certain things that used to be good jobs to aspire to now are now looked down upon like they are the last resort for people who can't be something better.

The cost of fuel to operate a 6000 pound 400 horsepower half ton that does 0-60 in under 7 seconds is kind of like the price of oil changes for a Porche 911. If you have to ask you probably can't afford it.

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I think the big problem today is that 20 years ago, people got a degree and were normally trained when they received a job offer. Their degree only showed some level of competency in doing the job.

Today, it's a different story. Employers want people who have the skills they need and are unwilling to pay for training unless it's absolutely necessary and they can't find anyone else who can do the job.

They'd rather outsource and train those people who make next to nothing, then pay to train people internally for a job.

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I agree with Jack on the lack of OTJ training.

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