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Old 11-18-2012, 10:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How long till the Israeli's Say enough

This aint political, but getting rockets launched on you from a bunch of thugs has to end. I am wondering just exactly when the Israelis will roll tanks and troops over to gaza and put an end to this BS.
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Hmmm...How long would we have allowed canada to reign ordnance down on one of our border cities?

Nothing says "please stop" like an extremely violent reaction. They have waited too long already.
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I agree. Someone in another thread said violence never solves anything.

Actually violence can solve a lot of things.

I would mention how the comments from the US government and the arab spring have emboldened these thugs but I don't want to make this thread political.

I have seen a million threads of the Israelis carrying their M16's without a magazine with them at all times. Do they have a magazine in their pocket?
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I agree. Someone in another thread said violence never solves anything.

Actually violence can solve a lot of things.

I would mention how the comments from the US government and the arab spring have emboldened these thugs but I don't want to make this thread political.

I have seen a million threads of the Israelis carrying their M16's without a magazine with them at all times. Do they have a magazine in their pocket?
I disagree, Israeli has been playing hard ball for years, I might even go so far as to say they deal with things more "in your face" than we do...

And where has it gotten them.
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This aint political, but getting rockets launched on you from a bunch of thugs has to end. I am wondering just exactly when the Israelis will roll tanks and troops over to gaza and put an end to this BS.
It's hard for a topic like this to not become political and even heated.
But a lot of people are misguided, as to the history and true nature of the situation over there.
The truth is, the Isrealis are the war criminals and thugs. They are the aggressors and opressors and every attack on them has been a direct result of something unjust that they initiated.
I don't mean to be argumentative, I just know that if people knew the reality of our involvement with the middle east, their opinions would drastically change on how we should handle ourselves there and who we should/shouldn't be in bed with.
But even if everyone had a clear understanding, what determines our motives for who to be friends with, what to turn a blind eye to and what to allow to trickle through the media, to the American public, is still based in priorities.
Money?
global dominance?
morals?
national security?
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The sooner the Zionist state is erased off the map, and the word 'Palestine' written in lieu, the better.
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It's hard for a topic like this to not become political and even heated.
But a lot of people are misguided, as to the history and true nature of the situation over there.
The truth is, the Isrealis are the war criminals and thugs. They are the aggressors and opressors and every attack on them has been a direct result of something unjust that they initiated.
I don't mean to be argumentative, I just know that if people knew the reality of our involvement with the middle east, their opinions would drastically change on how we should handle ourselves there and who we should/shouldn't be in bed with.
But even if everyone had a clear understanding, what determines our motives for who to be friends with, what to turn a blind eye to and what to allow to trickle through the media, to the American public, is still based in priorities.
Money?
global dominance?
morals?
national security?

Sorry I brought it up. Obviously, I know nothing and you have all the answers. Do you work for the State Dept?
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Sorry I brought it up. Obviously, I know nothing and you have all the answers. Do you work for the State Dept?
Why are you sorry you brought it up? Because I didn't agree with you?
Maybe you shouldn't have brought it up.

My parents were asshats and my mother let me drink from a bottle until I was 4 yrs old.
My oldest brother was about 13 at the time.
He decided to put an end to it one day.
He took my bottle from me and I stood there and cried as I watched him slice it in two, with a kitchen knife and then toss in in the trash.
Tramatic? A little. Did I throw a fit? a little. Did he catch shit from my mother for being a dick? You bet.
But I was over it by the next day and never wanted a bottle again and it was for my own good.
People need their mainstream media baba ripped out of their mouth and cut up.
You don't need to work for the state dept. to inquire and educate yourself on world news/history. It's all there. I don't watch fox or bbc or cnn.
If you wanna throw a fit and get snotty and take my comments personal, that's up to you. But that wasn't the intention of that post.
Like I said, you can't post a topic like this and expect it to not get political or have someone disagree with your views.
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Israel is a sensitive topic. I don't usually get too much into it with people anymore. I have gotten into some really heated debates with a couple of Jewish friends over it. I only felt comfortable in those situations because these were people I was tight enough with that we could have these kinds of debates and get over it afterward without anybody carrying a grudge. i would never even discuss the topic with Jews I didn't know that well. When they go off about it I nod politely and keep my mouth shut.

It is an issue of right vs. right, not right vs. wrong. This is a vast over-simplification, but both sides have historical claims to the land that go back to Biblical times. The Jews were expelled a few thousand years ago by the Romans. They were mostly gone from the region for awhile, during which the area was inhabited by a succession of different peoples that were predecessors to the Arabs that were there when the most recent troubles started. In the late 19th/early 20th century there was a movement by the Jews to try to reclaim their historical homeland and create a state where they could live free of the persecution they were facing in most of the Western world. After WW2 the rest of the world carved some arbitrary lines through the place in the late 40s to try to settle things and and make everybody happy, sparking numerous other conflicts to try to redetermine borders, leading to where we are today. A shaky false peace intermittently broken up by conflict, with them surrounded on all sides by countries that hate them. If it were as simple as them going in and obliterating the bad guy and being done with it this would have happened a long time ago.

Nobody is leaving, and nobody will succeed in killing everybody on the other side. So the only realistic eventual resolution is a 2 state solution with some borders being re-drawn. But a good analogy would be if the person who lived in your house 2 or 3 owners ago decided to break in and live there again. Someone else handed them guns to help them out so you can't just kick them out. And someone told you the only fair solution would be you take half and they take half. It ain't gonna happen soon, and it won't happen easily.
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Why are you sorry you brought it up? Because I didn't agree with you?
Maybe you shouldn't have brought it up.

My parents were asshats and my mother let me drink from a bottle until I was 4 yrs old.
My oldest brother was about 13 at the time.
He decided to put an end to it one day.
He took my bottle from me and I stood there and cried as I watched him slice it in two, with a kitchen knife and then toss in in the trash.
Tramatic? A little. Did I throw a fit? a little. Did he catch shit from my mother for being a dick? You bet.
But I was over it by the next day and never wanted a bottle again and it was for my own good.
People need their mainstream media baba ripped out of their mouth and cut up.
You don't need to work for the state dept. to inquire and educate yourself on world news/history. It's all there. I don't watch fox or bbc or cnn.
If you wanna throw a fit and get snotty and take my comments personal, that's up to you. But that wasn't the intention of that post.
Like I said, you can't post a topic like this and expect it to not get political or have someone disagree with your views.
Did your mom start letting you suck her tit until you got over losing your bottle?

If you read what I posted, it could stay non political.

I just wonder how long the Israelis will take it until they roll their tanks and put boots on the ground in Gaza.
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Tanks? Boots on the ground?

Fukkit, do it right the first time. Turn that whole bitch into glass

I'm not a history buff, so I can't really get engaged in this topic. However, I like seeing shit blow up, so I'd like to see them nuke a few countries over there.
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Hamas fired rockets into Israel for days before Israel fired back and took out the Hamas leader. Then Hamas used the media to claim Israel started it. Hamas also fired missiles into Jerusalem, which they claimed would never happen. Israel fired rockets at Hamas militants and hit civilians. It wouldn't surprise me if tanks started rolling.
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Israel showed a lot of restraint during the 1st gulf war when scuds were raining down on them. I don't think they'll hold off much longer though before a ground assault starts. I just saw on CNN that the French were trying to get some peace talks started. Not exactly reassuring considering that it's the French but maybe they can do something.
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Muslims are today what Hitler was 70 years ago. These are people with violence programmed into their DNA. You don't see any Jews strapping dynamite to their kids, or flying 747s into buildings containing thousands of innocents.

I say the solution should be mushroom shaped.

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This thread is so full of stupidity it makes my head hurt to even read it. From the ill-informed fox news-esque global tough guy rants of OkSlim, to the completely off topic rant about RRzxter's baby bottle. The only person who added anything informative and thought provoking was eharri3 and this seems to be lost in the want to bicker by OkSlims. Toxarch the situation is much more than the recent rocket fire, it has been going on since the formation of Israel. Oh and Bad Dad's Tundra, put on you tinfoil hat and secede already.

Please read eharri3's comment and maybe due some research before making up one's mind on a global issue, this is not a play ground fight.


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