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[QUOTE=06dblecab;878887]?? Never knew. I grew up in a very conservative area of California. As far as shoving stuff in your face both aides do it. Wasn't it a rebulican president that said we would fight anytime anywhere for democracy? Not into copy AND pasting so I could be wrong.]

I'm still pissed that the previous administration left it to Afghan Warlords to try to root Bin Laden out of Tora Bora. I don't think that's "leading from the front" as Condi likes to call it.

I really enjoy watching the Fox Sunday Show with Chris Wallace. He seems to dish it out to both sides equally (well, almost). His panel is usually equally divided between both parties also.
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No. MSM = Mainstream media. As in, left-leaning, progressive mouthpieces for the liberal Democrats and their George Soros-backed, U.N.-will-solve-all-the-world's-problems ideologies.

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I watched Romney's acceptance speech just now and I gotta say I was impressed. Actually, I think he hit it out of the park. You all know I dislike both parties since both are responsible for the decline of our nation. If the man does half of the things he has promised, there will be light at the end of the tunnel. One of the things I liked most is his promise to make the country energy independent by 2020. He intends to do so by exploiting ALL of our natural resources especially oil, not just pipe dreams like solar, wind and algae. This alone would be reason enough for me to vote for him. I cannot stand how Obama has put the interests of his radical, fringe environmentalist allies ahead of the middle class. Every time I gotta pay $4+ for a gallon of gasoline, knowing it is totally unnecessary, I know I have our current President partly to blame. Romney has undeniable business leadership experience to Obama's total and complete lack of any meaningful experience of any sort. Obama is simply outclassed and out of his league compared to Romney. Only in this country would this even be a close contest, frankly.

Now all politicians over promise and under deliver, none more so than our current President. The situation is so dire in this country that I am willing to vote for Romney when I previously swore I would not vote for a candidate of either party ever again. I honestly and truly believe that our nation could not tolerate another four years of the current leadership. I'm gonna put the country before my personal feelings on this and vote for Change (and Hope).

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Fox is the worst at swinging for one side.
Let us not forget that most of the Fox people came from the left, Mr. Rivera spent eight years defending Clinton,
and many, like Shep, have 'come out' and are open about their leftward tilt in politics.
However their news reporting is more like actual news, as in factual, so in comparison to the rest of the media Fox seems radically rightist.
The opinion shows have conservative hosts and that is what the left can't cope with.
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Fox is the worst at swinging for one side.
Not any worse than CNN or MSNBC.

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The only way to get the whole truth is to research things for yourself, and then you have to hope the source is clean, and then the hardest part is believing what you are reading because of your own personal bias (we all have our own bias).
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You have described the reason god made many sites like:

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Hate to break it to ya, but the Huffpo is decidedly left.

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I watched Romney's acceptance speech just now and I gotta say I was impressed. Actually, I think he hit it out of the park. You all know I dislike both parties since both are responsible for the decline of our nation. If the man does half of the things he has promised, there will be light at the end of the tunnel. One of the things I liked most is his promise to make the country energy independent by 2020. He intends to do so by exploiting ALL of our natural resources especially oil, not just pipe dreams like solar, wind and algae. This alone would be reason enough for me to vote for him. I cannot stand how Obama has put the interests of his radical, fringe environmentalist allies ahead of the middle class. Every time I gotta pay $4+ for a gallon of gasoline, knowing it is totally unnecessary, I know I have our current President partly to blame. Romney has undeniable business leadership experience to Obama's total and complete lack of any meaningful experience of any sort. Obama is simply outclassed and out of his league compared to Romney. Only in this country would this even be a close contest, frankly.

Now all politicians over promise and under deliver, none more so than our current President. The situation is so dire in this country that I am willing to vote for Romney when I previously swore I would not vote for a candidate of either party ever again. I honestly and truly believe that our nation could not tolerate another four years of the current leadership. I'm gonna put the country before my personal feelings on this and vote for Change (and Hope).
That's the thing though, Obama is not the reason for higher gas prices at the pump. They are more lies and a playing of words. That's not even to mention the current value of our currency in the world economy also plays a large part in that. The way to bring down gas prices now is to crack down on the speculation in the oil markets. Obama has not done this and I know Romney would not do this.

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I'm beginning to see that this thread could go on forever and ever. I should go try and run on a city council or something, so I can at least get paid for this. lol


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?? Never knew. I grew up in a very conservative area of California. As far as shoving stuff in your face both aides do it. Wasn't it a rebulican president that said we would fight anytime anywhere for democracy? Not into copy AND pasting so I could be wrong.]

I'm still pissed that the previous administration left it to Afghan Warlords to try to root Bin Laden out of Tora Bora. I don't think that's "leading from the front" as Condi likes to call it.

I really enjoy watching the Fox Sunday Show with Chris Wallace. He seems to dish it out to both sides equally (well, almost). His panel is usually equally divided between both parties also.
One thing I have always felt is that even though Obama made a gutsy move by calling for the Bin Laden strike and risking a ground operation, he also had the luxury to learn from a couple of previous presidents' mistakes in the matter. Clinton passed up a chance to kill him or grab him in Sudan and George Bush chose to leave it to Afghan troops that were already proven incompetent and corrupt to try in Tora Bora rather than letting the US Special Operations troops do their job like they wanted to. In both cases they thought they were making the right judgement given the circumstances at the time but in hindsight it was bad strategy.

Obama probably had someone on his team to point these things out to him and steer him towards thinking we should not half-ass it and put the responsibility on someone else yet again when it hadn't worked before. Who knows what he would have decided if he didn't have those facts to look at.

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My complaint was accusing the current admin of leading from behind. It worked well in Libya and who knows who we'd be arming in Syria?
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I just don't understand people saying things are not Obama's fault.

He has the job. His policies, actions, inactions and general attitude about how things should be, drive these things.
He begged for the job and promised a ton of stuff. Where is it?
The oceans haven't lowered. If anything, the standard of living has went down. More people are unemployed/underemployed than ever. He might have inherited a bad situation but he hasn't done anything to improve it. He had control of both houses for two years after he came in.

He campaigned for the job four years ago, got it and whines that all of the good and none of the bad is his responsibility.

All I know is my income is down. I am paying more for everything including gasoline that is twice the cost as it was when he came into office. He doesn't believe in american exceptionalism and I am sick of it.

They want to say he was taken out of context when he said, "You didn't build that"
He wasn't. His view is that all good comes from Government.

Take the shed I am building.

I sold some equipment to a customer to earn the money to purchase the materials.
I paid income tax on that money.

The customer I sold that equipment to paid taxes on that equipment.

I paid sales tax on the material I bought.
I paid taxes on the gasoline that I used to haul it
I paid taxes in the form of tag and registration on the truck I used to haul it.

After I build the building, the Tax Assessor will come out and raise my property taxes because I improved my property.

I think I paid for the road I drove to get all of this stuff.

All that Government has to give is what it has taken from someone else.

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I agree he hasn't done much to improve our economy but it was in the tank before he came into to play. Clinton did stuff to inflate the economy to make himself look good on his way out. Bush did all he could to make our economy bad. Obama has just done nothing. More often then not president cruise once there in office because they are afraid of the consequences if it goes wrong, especially in their first term. Politicians do not have our best interests in mind, regardless of which side they swing. All I know is I have made money during this president because i put my money into consumer stuff like the oil industry after all we are a country of consumers.
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I got no problem with you making a buck in a down economy. In fact that is what is great about this country. People have the opportunity to accomplish anything but it doesn't go to the issue.

Today Obama is at an army base telling soldiers they are the best equipped force in the world and he needs four more years because the debt commission failed and cuts in military spending are, going to kick in.
He needs another term. Why didn't he fix it during his first term or at least get it moving the other direction.

The CBO says we are going to be in another recession in 2013.


Once again, the sky is falling under my watch but it isn't my fault.

I am sick of it.

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I don't disagree with alot of those points but stick to my guns on the fact that these politicians are basically calling us all idiots when they get into talking about things being one president's fault vs. another or being able to make it all better in one or two terms in office. As has already been stated, they all lie. Obama exaggerated what he could do by promising so much four years ago and the people who blame him for what is going on are also full of poop. It's what they do, as demonstrated by the RNC. Talk big and put on a good show during the campaign. We can worry about the reality later. This is why George Bush Senior said 'READ MY LIPS' and later on signed a tax increase that was historical in size. He said what sounded good during the campaign, like they all do, and then he faced reality later. The government needed to get back in the black, and the most politically feasible course of action was to compromise with Democrats and raise taxes along with taking other measures.

Economics is more complex than any one president. There are alot of different things that create a boom or a bust cycle. They can be 10 or more years in the making which means they can take just as long to fix. It is not at all unheard of for one administration or another to make fiscal policy based on the realities they are facing at that time that have unintended or unforeseen consequences 5 or 10 or 15 years down the line.

So no, I don't consider what is going on to be Obama's fault. I think we are only just finally feeling the after effects of fiscal policies from the previous 2 administrations. There are things a president can do to facilitate a turn-around, but he generally cannot create one all by himself. He can only set the stage with the right fiscal policy. The various sectors of the economy just generally have to find a bottom for themselves, then as people and sectors make adjustments things rebound. As for the tax issue, my reply to that as a public sector employee would be my choice here is between someone who wants to raise my taxes or someone who wants to cut my pay and severely cut or take away my pension and give me back a small tax cut that won't even come close to making up for all the other money I am about to lose over the course of my life.

Everybody else is voting for the guy they think will not screw them as badly as badly as the other. So am I.

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Bush also lost his reelection bid.


As for what Obama can do, he can act like The commander in chief instead of the blamer in chief.

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