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Cartridge Oil Filter, Really?

My last car with a cartridge filter was a '58 Chevy. Isn't this a step backwards?

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If by "cartridge" you mean the paper filter inside the black plastic enclosure thing, as opposed to a metal spin-on, then I agree it is not ideal.

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I've been curious why they opted for this design. Maybe there is some kind of advantage?

If the motor, or this part of it, was designed by a Japanese dude, there are two types. And yes, I'm stereotyping us. Those who do things efficiently, and those who make things overly complex.


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I heard it was environmental, i.e. less spillage when changing, less material used without the spin on. Where the assumptions fail is the value of time. While an oil change with the new enclosed filter is far from difficult, it still takes way longer than with a spin on.

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I heard it was environmental, i.e. less spillage when changing, less material used without the spin on. Where the assumptions fail is the value of time. While an oil change with the new enclosed filter is far from difficult, it still takes way longer than with a spin on.
Prezactly. Which is how we know its roots are in a government mandate. Or interpretation there of. Guvmunt assigns ZERO value to your time. None. Zilch.

Oh. And Toyota has been doing this form of cartridge oil filter since around 2007. At least on the Avalons at that time.

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Not to worry, a 30% budget cut should calm the waters a fair amount over at EPA central.

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For the once a year I will be doing it, not that big of a deal to me.

Spin on's are much easier to swap though.


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For the once a year I will be doing it, not that big of a deal to me.

Spin on's are much easier to swap though.
Same. I'll end up doing once or twice a year. Not a big deal.


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For the once a year I will be doing it, not that big of a deal to me.

Spin on's are much easier to swap though.
You are correct it is not a big deal. I was just surprised to see what I thought was old technology.

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My last car with a cartridge filter was a '58 Chevy. Isn't this a step backwards?
My stepdad (asshole) had a big old chevy dumptruck about that year...straight 6 if I remember right. (It was about 1980-87 we had it).....if I remember right, you also had to fill the air filter housing with oil. Hope we don't go back to that.

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Cartridge Oil Filter, Really?

There is nothing wrong with the cartridge oil filter. They can build a better filter for the same price because they are not adding a can.

Many manufacturers are going to an exchanger style oil cooler which is plumbed in to the vehicles cooling system. The cartridge filter makes design much easier as the filter assembly is part of the exchanger.

Both iforce v8 use an exchanger to cool the oil.

Both my next truck and atv will have cartridge oil filters.


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I was happy see the Corolla went back to a spin on, I'm not a fan of the cartridge filters.


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There is nothing wrong with the cartridge oil filter. They can build a better filter for the same price because they are not adding a can.

Many manufacturers are going to an exchanger style oil cooler which is plumbed in to the vehicles cooling system. The cartridge filter makes design much easier as the filter assembly is part of the exchanger.

Both iforce v8 use an exchanger to cool the oil.

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