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Originally Posted by tawood
What a nightmare...first week, the paint came off the hood at the spray wash (see my post for pic: '07 w/nightmare paint), next ECM went bad, then my 8 year old pulled the interior door panel off while closing the back door, then I'm driving down my driveway in the snow (at about 5 mph mind you) and there is this jerking feeling w/STRONG smoke odor: burnt VSC/auto LSD, then my tailgate won't open and it felt like if I had forced it the thing would have bent or broke...oh, and the driver's side windshield wiper fell off.
Worst part about it was the dealership...they blame me EVERYTIME!!! Seems to be a common theme with the Toyotas, the dealers are VERY TOUGH to deal with...never had that problem with the dealers with the Chevy's, Ford's, or the Dodge I've had in the past (I'm a high mileage driver like you and get a new truck every 2 years--at least I used to be a high mileage driver, this one's in the shop too much).
Tim
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I would seriously consider exercising my rights under the state lemon laws if I was in your situation.
Let's be real about things.....
1) All manufacturers have a spectrum of products....some vehicles come off the line and function virtually flawlessly, some come off and have nothing but problems. I've owned Jeep, Ford, Nissan, Toyota and my father has covered the rest (Dodge, Chevy, etc). You can find bad apples among ALL of them.
2) Dealerships and warranties are all the same nowadays. You'd better be a great negotiator and half lawyer if you plan on making a warranty claim. That's because the dealer isn't the parent company anymore. If the dealer turns in a warranty claim and Toyota denies it, then the dealer is stuck eating the cost. That's why they fight so hard with you first, so that they can reduce the number of out of pocket services that they eat when the manufacturer denies it.
3) Ford products are cheaply made. I'm a mustang fanatic and I can simply tell you that beyond my love for mustangs, my loyalty stops there. Ford interiors are just as cheap or cheaper than any out there. They creek, rattle, squeek, etc, and the overall fit/finish is severly less than say a German or Japanese manufacturer.
4) The F-150 is tried and true. Ford has had many more generations to iron out most of the bugs with their F-150 line. There's some credence that Toyota is experiencing the typical problems of a new product line. The previous Tundra line isn't even in the same ballpark, so for all intents and purposes, the full size Tundra is 2 years old.
5) My advice to you, being a new Tundra owner, is go with the Ford. I say that because if that's what you're comfortable with, and you're actually using it to put food on the table, then stick to the known evil. If I have issues with my Tundra, it's not going to effect my paycheck. I personally value the other things in the Tundra (power, 6 speed tranny, fuel mileage, room, etc), as I don't beat my truck to hell and back using it for work.
6) My company trucks are Nissan. I can tell you that we've had great experiences with our Titan fleets, ESPECIALLY at high mileage (when compared to Ford or Chevy). Granted, most of our guys in work trucks are not towing 8,000 lbs ever day and are not putting 3/4 of a ton in the beds on a regular basis, but they perform well for what their intent has been.
Every truck line has issues and you can find specific examples of a bad individual in any sizeable group of products. The question becomes are the systematic failure(s) for the Tundra in line with what you intend to use them better or worse than the typical systematic failures for the F-150 (and attributes as well).