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Originally Posted by ForDorToY
Nice post...thanks for the honesty, partner. So the paint and tailgate are not just internet anti-toyo bashing...they are a real issue. How about the bed hp/frame flexing? I saw a video (I believe produced by Ford, so I'm sure there's a little bias) that had the Tundra literally jumping off the road at 25mph over bumps while the domestics handled the same patch and speed fairly stable.
The 09 150 will be out in 6 months. I'd hate to buy the current model, then 6 months later have a truck that looks old (plus I want that 6 speed trans). I buy lots of trucks for business (used to be rangers, but now there's a couple stripper 150s sprinkled in), but this is my personal work truck, so wont be replacing it for a while.
No doubt the Tundra is quick. I've seen one at my local track run a 14.2 at 97mph...that's stock Lightning zone.
I also collect Fox Mustangs, so have no need for a race truck. My nitroused 331 Fox does just fine when I want to go quick. I'm building a Vorteched 331 notch right now that should be reliable at 500hp.
Basically I just like new stuff...when I want it, which is right about now. I'm fairly certain that I don't want anything from Mopar, GM, or Ford (if I have to wait 6 months)...that leaves Toyota (Nissan never even entered my mind) with the freshest product on the market. I would jump on board if I hadn't seen all the negative press on the Toyota, but it's there and I cant ignor it.
the post under yours says "just ordered my new truck, it's great, buy one" How do you fellas know it's so great if you just ordered it? Thanks for the real world imput on how your truck performs and the work it's able to do. How many miles and how often is it loaded this way? That would be helpful.
Nice video, btw.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. The tailgate is indeed the real deal. The frame flex you're talking about I think is also referred to as "bed bounce" by the majority of people. It does exist and can be really bad if you live in California. I'm from Kansas and even there it can be bad on a few sections of roads. My brother had a coke can open in the back seat with him and he lost half of it into a paper towel because it was bouncing so bad. I can't actually make a comment on an F150 as I've never driven the new F150 on the highway myself.
The video you're talking about is typically concerned as a marketing gimmick by people on the Toyota forum. Whether or not it's real, I don't know. My take on it is that with the open C-channel in the back it's going to flex under load but then flex right back. A fully boxed frame will be better for that stuff and everyday usage but I guess for more of a work truck a open c channel is better, like the Super Duty. I don't know if that comparison makes sense or not.
Ah man I like Fox bodies a lot but it took a bit of persuasion to actually like them. Once I see a good one I really appreciate it. A vortech'd 331 would be ridiculous.
I hear ya on the new F150. The 6 speed is nice and all in the Tundra but it's very clunky. Much more clunky than my '98 Expedition with 150K miles (but that one has a really bad clunk going into a certain gear but it's butter smooth everywhere else). You have to be 100% butter smooth, at least in my truck, to not get it to clunk when upshifting without throttle (letting off the gas just before it shifts). My advice, is if you haven't test driven it yet, you should do it. It's a good truck but it doesn't do some things as well as the F150. In my opinion, it might be a compromise if you're really used to the F150. The interior is so so, mine rattles with 10K miles on it, the tailgate does clunk going over bumps (two coats of Rhino might have done that to it), and the side panels dent really easily, along with the easily scratched paint.
The F150, may be less powerful with a less advanced drivetrain, but it's a very solid truck as you've certainly seen with your past experiences.
Hope that helps man! To be honest, if it were my choice in what I was driving I'd put a REALLY hard look between the two trucks. I'd have to compromise the speed I love, but every time I get back into my Expedition it feels like I'm at home and I almost hate going back to the Toyota's we own.
-rockstate